Caliphate is originally a Jewish concept. In it Kings and Messiahs would belong only to the House of David. After the descendants of Solomon was exterminated by the Assyrians, the concept also died away. Islamic version of it never materialized. The Ottomans falsely claimed to descend from the House of the Prophet as do the Hashemites of Jordan. But by now, Muslims are too diverse to be led by any of them.
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On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, "'mahfuzur@aol.com' mahfuzur@aol.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Sorry, Mr. Roy and Mr. Chakrabarty, to come into your controversy. Since I see in Mr. Roy's comments that most Muslims perhaps want a caliphate, may I refer you to a recent article of mine in The Daily Star on the subject?Because of my preoccupations (and old age), I do not want to start another controversy.The link is given below.Mahfuzur Rahman-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 28, 2014 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Do you think I have archived all your past comments? If you want, you can compile them yourself. All I know is this – I always point out what I am commenting against.For example, here you said – "Some one made a rude comment about Kerry." And, it hurt you so much that - you had to jump into action, without understanding that it was a politically correct statement from a politician. You may not know that, but most members in the forum know that already.You said, "My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS." Do you know majority Muslim population in the world support idea of Caliphate all over the world? Go take a poll in the Muslim majority country, and find it out. Don't just start shooting blanks.Jiten Roy
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former.My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as one of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song.I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point.That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam is now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants?I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.Jiten Roy
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Where have I said that Nazrul was a practicing Muslim? But he wrote Islamic sings like "tora dekhe ja Amina mayer kole".
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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
