Das is still confused. He is putting some one else's words in my mouth. In this case Nazrul or Gholam Mostafa's words. I have only presented positive remarks about Islam or the prophet. The objective is to see how you defy them---Rabindranath, Vivekananda, Nazrul or Gholam Mostafa. I have seen how silly your style of defiance is.
Personally I don't know MA, AK or SKM. I have no idea about their knowledge of Islam or history of Islam. With due respect to them, for now I will stick to my gurus like Nazrul, Maulana Azad or even Ibrahim Khan.
That Vivekananda praised Islam made you mad. Now you are happy that he also criticized Islam. This makes me neither happy nor sad.
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On Nov 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The point of debate here is not whether Kazi Nazrul was devout or not, it is whether Prophet(pbuh) was a "koruner chobi" or a war monger. During his stay in Medina, he is said to have conducted eighty nine acts of violence killing about a thousand of innocent persons and ethnically cleaning Jews who refused to admit him as messiah. Mawlana Chakrabarty had been displaying his ignorance on this over a few years and questioning learned men in this respect. Is he better informed than Abul Kashem, Mohammad Asghar, Syed Kamran Mirza etc.?
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On Nov 28, 2014, at 5:38 PM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Kazi Najrul Islam was ahead of his time and place. He challenged the religious establishments and hatred of his time and place. He was a people's poet. He loved all kinds of people and wanted people to give up religious prejudices and to love each other as humans.While he proclaimed no religious books to be greater than the human mind and no religion to be bigger than humanity, he did not open up the books of the religion that he got by birth to analyze them rationally. In fact, he showed considerable weakness toward Islam when he wished his dead body to be buried near a mosque. He erroneously/falsely proclaimed that Islam gave women equal rights as men. He praised Muslims for willing to die for religion. By the honest and rational standard, he actually had a good deal of religious stupidity,I will elaborate my thoughts on Najrul later. Thanks.Sukhamaya Bain==========================================================On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:44 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
A blunt prejudice! I have no extra love for Das and Roy. But, I do find them more to be in the 'right' side than you. That is my opinion.You are a good man with plenty of political correctness. It is not secret that you too make some great points in the forum. But this time, I simply could not see your point of bringing Nazrul in the discussion. He would have been a dead murtad in current Bangladesh. The man might not even moved to Bangladesh? He was a man beyond of his time. I am sure he had very vague idea about Islam and its history. So, writing few superficial lyrics does not make him a good follower of Islam.I would not really put you in the same basket with the Moulanas like QR and Hannan but you would be the one who could in principle agree with those two imbeciles in certain issues. Again, that is my personal opinion and observation.Happy Thanksgivings to all Muktomonas!-SDOn Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:41 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It was expected that Deeldar would also join the chorus. I am taking all their comments as jokes and enjoying them. I would request Das-Roy-Deeldar to do a conference call and jointly disprove my points. Please do not hit me under the belt. Play by the rules. Let us make the debate meaningful. If you don't have knowledge, patience, or analytical capability, please stay out of it. Please don't be blinded by love or hatred. Be rational and analytical.
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On Nov 26, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:As a good brahmin he has been doing a great job to keep the flame burning... now that QR and Hannan guys have abandoned from this forum. Yes, the man loves political correctness and that is OK with me.-SDOn Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
We have a devout Muslim in this forum by the name of Mr. Chakrabarty. Like an ordinary Muslim he hasn't read any version of Sirat al Nabi, Hadith by Bukhari, Gazzali and others, or the Holy Quran. Though he finds Hindu traditions deplorable, he is full of praise for Islam. "Swadarme nidhanam sreya, parodharma bhoyabaha", though a verse written under the influence of Islam, does not impress him. He pretends to be a Hafiz, but in reality, he is a Mafiz.
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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:12 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Nazrul was a free-thinker. I would not drag him here. If a cognitively alert Nazrul were alive today in Bangladesh, he would be asking bigger trouble than Rushdie and Nasrin. He was a human first...man!-SD"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-SeussOn Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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