Our resident Mawlana is an incorrigible idiot. Vivekananda praised and and criticized Islam at different places. He might have been ignorant about caste-ism in Islam. But the fact is that there are Arabs and Azams, Shias and Sunnis, at each others throats. History records the existence of three hundred eighty nine different castes among Indian Muslims during the days of Muhammad bin Tughlaq making them far worse than Hindus. Even among the Arabs, each clan formed a caste. I wonder if this obstinate Mawlana being funded by Islamic NGOs.
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On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Do you think I have archived all your past comments? If you want, you can compile them yourself. All I know is this – I always point out what I am commenting against.For example, here you said – "Some one made a rude comment about Kerry." And, it hurt you so much that - you had to jump into action, without understanding that it was a politically correct statement from a politician. You may not know that, but most members in the forum know that already.You said, "My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS." Do you know majority Muslim population in the world support idea of Caliphate all over the world? Go take a poll in the Muslim majority country, and find it out. Don't just start shooting blanks.Jiten Roy
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former.My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as one of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song.I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point.That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam is now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants?I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.Jiten Roy
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] RE: ISIS is hell-bent to establish real Islamic Caliphate in the middle-East just like Prophet Muhammad did in the 7th century Medina.
Where have I said that Nazrul was a practicing Muslim? But he wrote Islamic sings like "tora dekhe ja Amina mayer kole".
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On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I have presented why I think - your thoughts are illogical. Think again - what is Kazi Nazrul Islam, as per your judgment? Was he a practicing Muslim, as you have presented him to be?
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty
