I have never claimed to understand the mind of over a billion Muslims, but I sure know the mind of someone who got outraged when I pointed to promiscuous character of Lady Di. Roy and Das are less imbecile and demented than AR and MC. Only a stupid pokes his nose repeatedly after he shuns contrary opinion.
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On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:16 PM, "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The advantage of having this debate in public is that everybody - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, atheists, agnostics, pagans and so forth - can see what is going on in the minds of the key players and where they are coming from.Dr. Jiten Roy may spurt out his bigoted feelings on the pretext of having clear thinking and straight talking; whereas Dr. Kamal Das may feel that he knows everything there is to know about what is going on in the minds of one and half billion Muslims and gives a sanctimonious direction on the future course of action the majority of Muslims or at least moderate Muslims should take.But the central theme of this discourse is this - Confucius more than two and half millenia ago said: "He who knows not, knows not that he knows not, is imbecile, shun him". I will say no more about these two self-serving critiques analysing and reanalysing Muslim bahaviour perpetually.- AR
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Thanks. I can see your points. I hope Kamal Das also could spend some time to organize
his thoughts first and then present it respectfully. All he does is make sweeping comments and boast his incoherent knowledge.
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On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:"Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants? "- S. ChakrabartyPeople have given that relative freedom since the inception of Islam but it is like one step forward followed by two steps backward. It is the religious Mullahs who call the shorts. These people are so 'afraid' that they think Islam needs to be protected by any means. Anybody converts to an atheist or something else is a dead meat. So, freedom is not an issue.ISIL has rather become very popular amongst many enlightened European Muslims. And that is not a fluke. The gullible Muslim moderates would pretend to fight the evils but they will surrender the bigger causes of Islam. That is why nothing has happened since PM death. That is why evil forces like ISIL, Boko-harams an d Talibans would be coming in many different flavors with more notoriety. And, moderates will chant the same mantra as these people being not true Muslims. Meanwhile, minorities will be converted or thrown out from many parts of the Muslim dominated countries. And, nobody can be blamed for those notoriety. A moderate would be sorry but he would not mind to live amongst those imbeciles as evidenced by so many cruel incidents and events. There goes his/her freedom and stance against his/her evil brethren. People like Malala can't go back to her own country but she is a great Muslim? I find this very ironic and maybe little self-serving (call it my sarcastic conspiracy theory) agenda from a different angle.Yes, nobody can do anything about this deadly menace. I bet Nazrul knew that cruel fact when he was young and cognitively alert. Thank you. I stop here.I bet, we are heading towards the elephant in the room.-SDOn Friday, November 28, 2014 5:57 PM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Nazrul was a Muslim by birth and name. He never converted to any other religion although it has been said that for a certain time period he became a Kali sadhak. Through one of his poems he expressed his desire to be buried by the side of a mosque. He was above religion. He was more a Bengali than a Muslim. He did not suffer from religious meanness. That's why he could so easily write beautiful kirtans in addition to naad, hamd, and gajal. He wrote much more Hindu songs than Islamic songs because of the higher demand for the former.My point was not to prove that Nazrul was a devout Muslim. He was a rebel against the use of religion as a tool of exploitation. He was aware that common people were religious and he must not do any thing that would make him isolated from people as o ne of his goals was to liberate the oppressed. That's what I wanted to say. Some one made a rude comment about Kerry. My question was if he would make the similar comment about Nazrul as he tried to glorify the prophet of Islam in his song.I will never ask Kamal Das this question as he is not worth debating with. He got mad when he heard that Rabindranath called Muhammad a great sage. He stopped so low that he attacked Rabindranath by saying that his writings were not free from spelling mistakes. He loves to attack some one out of context. As far as I remember he was also mad when he came to know that Vivekananda praised the concept of equality in Islam. He accuses but cannot say on what point.That ISIS is following the true Koranic Islam i s now a favorite theory in certain quarters which include Islamophobiac communalists. The theory may be well founded or not---I don't know as my knowledge about the Koran is extremely limited. Also I don't care. My concern is with the Muslims in general who also treat them as true Muslims but do not endorse the activities of ISIS. Will it not be rude to tell them that they are half Muslims and in order to become true Koranic Muslims they have to follow ISIS word for word? Will this not be divisive and make fight against ISIS weak? Why should they not be given the freedom to rise above the literary meanings of a holy book and still be religious by practicing a religion that has been hijacked by the fanatic militants?I have asked you few questions in a separate mail. I would be looking forward to hearing from you soon.
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On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Does this song makes him a Muslim? How about his so many ShreeKrishna Kirtan and Sama Sangit? Do they make him a Hindu? It does not.This is your problem. Let me help you - Nazrul is not Muslim or Hindu, he represented humanity.It is a totally hopeless deliberation, so this is my last comment on you.Jiten Roy
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