Nice Mr. Das! You are good at twisting. You are probably agreeing that by an Arab country one has to mean a country where people predominantly speak Arabic. Over time spoken and written languages have evolved. Political map has changed many a time. But the fact remains that one has the right to be proud of all good things that happened historically in the parts of the country he lives in now. You are now proud of contribution of ancient india to math. So am I. But what was the position of the area we live in now? Not respectable at all in the eyes of the Aryans.
I will request Mr. Das to explain to elaborate a little bit more on "Bedouin 'unculture' of the Arabs". Don't they have any contribution to civilization? I understand a nomadic life is not in a position to show much creativity. But once settled down, it is possible. Origin and quick expansion of a great religion like Islam is a prime example.
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On Nov 13, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
As usual, Chakrabarty flaunts his ignorance. Iraq is predominantly Arab today. It was Assyrian before Arab conquest, and in its glorious days of Sumerian civilization, it was Phoenician. In the Abbasid regime, the culture was essentially Persian.
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On Nov 13, 2014, at 11:12 AM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Pythagoras was born more than 2500 years ago. I have never claimed the superiority of the Bedouin "unculture"? Why has Das so much hatred for Arab culture? Iraq is an Arab country. Iraq's contribution to civilization is well known.
Sent from my iPhoneI don't know what Das is talking about. Have I mentioned Algebra or Bedouin in any of my recent posts? He is just showing off as usual. Pythagoras was a student of Indian math and philosophy! I have to check. Any reference please. Pythagoras was born about 4000 years ago. Right?
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On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:The guy who 'invented' algebra called the system Indian Math. Even Pythagoras had been a student of Indian Math and Philosophy. S. Chakrabarty has his mindset on the superiority of the Bedouin un culture of the Arabs. We can always pardon an ill informed Brahmin for his lack of knowledge. Can't we, Dr. Roy?
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On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:42 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:"I am not inclined to take pride in some thing called Vedic math."Look, Pal, Modi's message was for the people, like you, who are ashamed to take pride of their own heritages. When I tried to remind that point, some of you started to attack me without understanding my message. Someone even accused me of 'falsification,' which turned out to be meant for 'exaggeration.'As I said before, Indus Valley civilization is one of the oldest civilizations in the world (5000 years old). When I tried to remind that heritage, you try to find excuses to demean them. Vedic era is ~3500 years old, it has brought so much enlightenment to people in that region, which people are still making use of. But, instead of being proud of them, you are bringing Chinese, Greek, and English literatures. This was the point Modi was making.I know, if the same talk was given by President Kalam or Mukharjee, we would not be talking about it. So, it was not the message, but the messenger, that was wrong.Look, when someone counter comments against mine, I look forward to learn something from it; this is just waste of time talking about something that should be obvious to all of you.Jiten Roy
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Ancient Indian scholars or (sages if you like the word) did real research on astronomy. That is what we need to talk about. I am not inclined to take pride in some thing called Vedic math.
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On Nov 10, 2014, at 6:12 AM, Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Well, Dr. Roy, I can accept that the imaginations of the Vedic stories were richer than their time. But when you suggest, for example, that "in-depth knowledge of astronomy ...... are all in the scriptural books", I find it more than exaggeration; it is falsification. BTW: Did Ganesh's body try to reject the elephant's head, as we see in modern transplant cases; or there was no such problem due to his mother's blessings? Now, don't get me wrong; I have been weak enough to think that the blessings of my parents did/could bring good things in my life; but I am not weak enough to think that such blessings by themselves could change established science.
Talking about some people being ahead of their time, I am willing to accept that Mohammad also was one such human. The problem that I see with the Muslims now is that too many of them proclaim his messages to be adequate for today's world.
Sukhamaya Bain
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On Sun, 11/9/14, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Use and misuse of science in religions
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014, 10:02 PM
Dr. Bain, the problem with your
comments, most of the time,
is that you think out of context. Here, you
are judging Vedic stories against
modern science fiction stories. Vedic stories were at least
a few thousand
years old. How much
scientific sophistication do you expect from the people in
that era? Did you
give a thought where rest of the world was when Vedic
stories were written?
When you read something from a thousand
year old
books, you need to think with reference to that era. Just
trashing them without careful consideration, you will
do injustice to those books.
Do you know how Ganesh got his elephant
head? If
you do, you can compare that to the modern day
face-transplant. Many Vedic stories
deal with space-travel and space-warfare. If I remember
correctly, Megnad used to fight from behind the cloud. Have
you thought about how did those
fictional ideas came to them in those days? Now, compare the
standard of the Vedic people
with that of the people in the rest of the world in those
days. Only then, you will
realize how sophisticated they were. You found some falsifications in my
comments. What are those false statements? If you tell
them, may be I can correct myself.
Jiten Roy
From: "Sukhamaya
Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]"
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To:
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Sent: Sunday, November
9, 2014 7:04 PM
Subject: Re:
[mukto-mona] Use and misuse of science in religions
Here are
my comments on the quoted comments (below) by Dr. Jiten
Roy.
I see too much of conjecture, exaggeration, imagination and
falsification in Dr. Roy's comments. With the same kinds
of practice, religious people of other shades have been
making the claims that all kinds of knowledge can be found
in their religious books. The way I see them, the stories in
the Hindu scriptures are like poor quality science fictions,
based upon imagination. Compared to those, many of the
modern science fictions are based upon a good deal of
methodical thoughts, and upon technologies that actually
have been proven to work. That is why a lot of real science
and technology have their roots in science fictions.
BTW: As for Modi/BJP being a threat to secularism, people
need to realize that Modi/BJP is not like the fools/fanatics
that throw stones at the devil after praying to their God.
Even with their oxymoron of Hindutwa, they are a lot more
rational people than those who believe in the dogmatic
religions.
Sukhamaya Bain
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