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Saturday, December 6, 2014

Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God



If Hinduism believes in the trinity of gods, then where does the goddess Durga, who with eight arms defeated the buffalo demon, Mahishura fit in? Surely in Durga Puja, Hindus celebrate this victory of goddess Durga. Then there is goddess Saraswati and many other gods and goddesses. These are all confusing.

- AR
  
From: "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014, 16:37
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
Hindu trinity Brahma-Visnu-Mahadev includes Brahma who is the creator while Visnu and Mahadev are sustainer and destroyer respectively. 

Yes, God (gods, goddesses, demons, etc. included) and religion are inseparable in most cases. 

Nietzsche said that God was dead. But as we know, He is not. He is still doing and undoing things depending on whose God He is. God will be living until man will live. 

Shitola Devi is still worshipped maybe not at the same rate as before. I agree, modernization will bring the number of gods and goddesses down. 

The bottom line is, I agree, lives in the mind of the believer. 

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
God is a creator only in Abrahamic religions. In it, God needs religion and vice versa. God is mortal too, albeit with longer lifespan than human beings. For example, with eradication of small pox virus, Goddess Sheetala has become extinct. Mighty gods like Marduk, Mithra, Wodin, and Zeus are all dead. Presently, God lives only in the mind of devotee. Like demons and ghosts, God has disappeared with the advancement of science.

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On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:16 PM, "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Jiten,  Can any thing live any where without having existence ? 

If god has only one attribute or characteristic then every individual can claim for him god means XXXX (where XXXX stands for creator,  truth, spirit, love, barby doll, some prophet, avtar, saint, big bang, black hole etc. etc.  --pick your favourite attribute and put it  in place of XXXX   as per your liking and ask whether atheist can accept it. But 
if you study all the religions, god is not just a single attribute but it is  sum total of all supposed attributes of god viz. creator, dispenser of justice, punisher of evil, sustainer of order, capable of bending rules by way of miracles to favour his devotees to answer 
prayers , sender of messages and prophets and taking birth as avtar to destroy evil, 
intelligent designer etc.  Unless you believe in most of the attributes, you cannot say 
you believe in god. 

 Just believing in spirit, or creator etc. does not make it god in totality.  And we 
atheists do not believe there is any thing in the universe which meet most of the 
criteria and supposed attributes.  For any thing like this to exist, the  universe will 
have to violate many laws of nature, which is simply impossible.  Nature does not 
make exception to its rule no matter how holy the person or entity is.  


Sanjeev

From: "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 5 December 2014 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
Yes, Sanjeev, you need to define God first. If I say, my God has no existence, He lives in the spirit, then where the question of existence of God come from? Atheists should not have trouble accepting this God. Isn't it? 

Jiten Roy

 


From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
Define god ?  Poison by any name will kill.

Sanjeev



From: "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2014 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
Excellent points! I have some issue with atheism; it appears to be incomplete idea. Most atheists think they are atheist because they have rejected God, as defined in the religion. Religionists, obviously, have distorted the concept of God; they made it some kind of human-like character. First thing is to define God, then love or hate it.  
Jiten Roy
 


From: "Kamal Das kamalctgu@gmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 
Haven't the Buddhists made Buddha their supreme god? There are Amitava Buddha, the sun god with limitless radiation, Kacchapa Buddha looking like a turtle and representing the sky god, Maitreya Buddha yet to come etc. My atheism sees gods and goddesses everywhere. God, having been derived from Godde, a Persian word meaning leader, leads in every place. Religion, by definition, is something that holds together. Even communism is a religion, but atheism or agnosticism, being glue less, are not.

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On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:13 AM, "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
If Buddhism is considered a religion, surely God is not needed for all religions. But what is this nonsense of what God needs or does not need? The imaginary character needs whatever the believer thinks he needs. To a rational person, there is no such thing as God needing this or that.
 
I find the statement, 'Atheism itself is regarded as a religion. So Subimal Chakrabarty's atheism or my atheism or anybody else's atheism does not mean that we are all clue-less non-sensical people', totally absurd.
 




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