I always wonder about logical arguments of Mr. Chakraborty. Here he mentioned some names, such as – Salmon Khan, Shahrukh Khan, Emperor Akbar, etc. to say that Muslims are ready to embrace progressive cultures, but the lack of progressive government programs are holding them; as if – 40 years of communism was not enough to do so.
As per Mr. Chakraborty, government of WB has to impose progressive cultures on Muslims, as if ordinary Muslims will come out of home and dance on the street to embrace their newfound freedom, instead of protesting against anti-Islamic programs and invasion of religious freedom.
Jiten Roy
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As you have called Salman Khan a film actress, he would probably undress and show his dick to you, if he knows what you have done to him. Dementia might have caught on to you. Proper medical advice may be needed. I have a few icons, from Marx to Shiva, at my residence. I don't adore any of them. Farhad Mazhar might have kept Saraswati to display it and nothing more.
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On Jan 11, 2015, at 2:27 AM, "Subimal Chakrabarty subimal@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I still believe the government is not sincere or courageous enough to oblige the Muslims to embrace modern education. It is government's duty to reform madrassa system. It needs to stop appeasing the vested interest groups which include the mollahs many of them even vote for the communists.The claim that participation in cultural activities by Muslims is nonexistent is not well founded. I can mention many names to refute the claim.Being a religious minority and living in ghetto area may not have same effect. Many Muslims in india are very open minded and sometimes their openness surpasses that of Hindus. Film actress Salman Khan, I have heard, arranges Ganesh puja in his resident. Shahrukh Khan's Hindu wife enjoys full freedom at her home when it comes to celebrating religious festivals. This reminds us what emperor Akbar used to practice.!Even many intellectuals in Bangladesh keep Hindu deities in their house. I have seen in Facebook Farhad Mazhar with the deity of goddess Saraswati in his drawing room.I forgot to comment on Dr. Biplob Pal's guesstimates: 99% of Hindus are ready to embrace reforms in their religion while the percentage for Muslims is only 50%. I am not challenging his numbers but referring to above paragraph for my take on it.
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On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Whether Prophet Muhammad was a moderate or not is not important, since Islam is not run by Prophet now. Islam is now run by millions of leaders, who do not agree with one another. Even an illiterate village Mullah can assume power to announce edicts of Islam. Although, the situation is same with Hindus, but the difference is Hindus are not as crazy about the religion, as Muslims are for theirs."…But the rulers have to be proactive by organizing progressive programs and activities and allocating sufficient funds so that they can implemented. Once the rulers become proactive, there will be no dearth of volunteers to support the same. "There are no dearth of progressive cultural initiatives in West Bengal, but participation from the Muslim community is non-existent. This is because they are being brainwashed constantly by the religious leaders from the Mosque and Madrassas that Islam is under attack by Hindutave. So, they are constantly being advised to reject any other cultures, except to some Arabian cultures to keep their religious faith intact. All governments in West Bengal (WB) have given only what Muslims leaders asked for, which are more funding for Mosque, Madrassas, Hajj, Islamic cultures, etc.This has been the case with Muslims in countries, where they are religious minority, including USA. Primary attention is to perpetuate the presence of Islam in those countries; everything else comes next.On the contrary, most Muslims in Bangladesh never feel the threat of losing Islam to another religion/culture, so they can ignore warnings from the Mosques and Madrassas, and can adhere to the Bengali cultures without hesitation. Bengali culture is the glue that can bring Hindu and Muslims closer in WB, and, that can come only when Muslims there will have enough confidence in their own religiosity, and do not feel threatened by Bengali cultures.In the end, Government's goal is to appease people, meaning government will try to give (if they can) what people want. So, no government programs can lift Muslims up in the progressive spectrum, if they do not embrace them.Jiten Roy
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I have read Dr. Pal's article with particular interest. An atheist by strong conviction, Dr. Pal never hesitates to criticize religion based politics-- be it Hindutabad or fanatic and fundamentalist Islamism.As he is from Poschimbongo, he knows more about Hindu-Muslim relation in that state than those who are not from India. I will say his observation on the subject is near perfect. I, however, disagree on one point.Dr. Hossainur Rahman (I might have misspelled the name), an author from Poschimbongo, has criticized all the secular ruling parties for using the Muslims in the state as vote bank and caring the least about their socio-economic upliftment. The ruling parties' attitude is as follows: Stay in the same dark as you are in now. We will not bother you. But vote for us. Mamata has been following the same policy. If BJP comes to power, it will do the same thing. (Modi distributed borkha to Muslim women before election. That is symbolic). Sachar Commussion report is a shame for secular India.I am sure some will argue: Don't the Muslims have any role? I am sure they have. But the rulers have to be proactive by organizing progressive programs and activities and allocating sufficient funds so that they can implemented. Once the rulers become proactive, there will be no dearth of volunteers to support the same.We have to remember that religious fundamentalism, fanaticism and militancy thrive on poverty and illiteracy. Data indicate how easy it is to recruit suicide bombers, for example, from among the socially and economically distressed people. And when you are in bad shape socially and economically, you do not feel like belonging to the mainstream and thus you suffer from identity crisis in a secular democratic country. And that feeling makes you tempted to resign or strike.Dr. Pal has opined that a new Muhammed in the new age is needed to bring about the reforms in Islam. Sisi has appealed to the Ulema to bring about a new Islamic revolution. What else could he do? Reject the Koran and Islam and get assassinated by one of his soldiers? Before we challenge him, we should remember that he ousted a legitimate government which was inclined heavily to Islamic fundamentalism. If you read unbiased authors like Karen Armstrong, you should agree that Muhammed was progressive with respect to his time and was also dynamic in thinking. But the fundamentalists and fanatics have hijacked the religion and extrapolation has been made almost impossible.Literally the proposition of welcoming a new Muhammed is a mission impossible; but what does not seem impossible is highlighting the good teachings in Islamic teachings and reinterpreting many teachings and keeping quiet about the rest and sending them to cold storage for blissful solitude.
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