Innovation, it was not! I simply do not see the usefulness of the device that he has created. You do not see it either but you spin further. The kid was not even allowed to take it to the White house. Yes, he has created some false alarm for the school. So, next time, another kid/man builds another suspicious device or real thing, the school and police should not panic? If he/she is a Muslim, he/she should be given free a pass? Only that way, the west can treat itself from the disease called Islamophobia? I am sure that the disease got no legs!
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:
With all due respect to Wikipedia, I can only repeat my earlier explanation of why this boy's resourcefulness and innovation is to be commended. You may believe it was a prank, but if you don't have evidence for that belief then that too amounts to blind faith. If you are willing to jump to certain conclusions about a child who was at worst trying to show off about building something from scraps - which I don't think most adults could - then that reveals a bias too.No kid, white or otherwise deserves to be reprimanded for showing drive, initiative, resourcefulness and yes, innovation in putting together ordinary household items to build something. Standing up for him is not about playing victim but correcting an injustice. Obviously enough people who do not share Dawkins prejudice felt the same including the President.Secularists are not necessarily atheists. There are many people like me who believe in the separation of religion and State. Secularism simply focuses on worldly matters and does not go into spirituality.Atheists are a tiny persecuted minority all over the world and are unable to do the kind of damage that religious fundamentalists do. That being said the ideology of fundamentalism (read hate and intolerance) is not qualitatively different whether it be religious or secular. How was the Chapel Hill murder of the Muslim students by an atheist qualitatively different from the murder of secularists in Bangladesh? Certainly there is a huge quantitative difference in the kind of havoc religious fundamentalists have wreaked vs. secular fundamentalists.It is important to confront the ideology of hate in all it's forms wherever it occurs. You may choose to minimize it as political correctness, or only stand up against the persecution of the group you identify with which is your prerogative but not one I agree with. And absolutely the reason I choose to live in the West is because, while not perfect, I do have a constitutional right to challenge violations of human rights and injustice. And I want the same for my home country because I don't believe in double standards. I have no intention of only holding Islamic States accountable while giving secular states a free pass!You may accept a YouTube "trial" of this boy which is cobbled together with clips from Fox News, as the "real" story. What I see are the usual Islamophobes trying to attack the credibility of a kid. This is obviously an immigrant family whose first language is not English. If anything the person who has put this piece together and is splitting hairs over the use of each word appears to be the one who is on a witch hunt. I will ask anyone to interview someone dozens of times and challenge them not to find variations in the account and especially with children who are inclined to agree with adults when they put words in their mouth. Sorry, I am not convinced and we can agree to disagree.
Sent from my iPhone"Innovation is a new idea, more effective device or process. Innovation can be viewed as the application of better solutions that meet new requirements, inarticulated needs, or existing market needs. This is accomplished through more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are readily available to markets, governments and society. The term innovation can be defined as something original and more effective and, as a consequence, new, that "breaks into" the market or society." Wikipedia
Please explain me how this device improves our existing quality of life? What is it's use? On what criteria would you consider this was an innovation? I would call it at best... a silly object for no good use. We can always feel sorry for this Sudanese kid. But how can we extract some good science and quality from this kid.... should be our main goal. Muslims need to put a higher bar for the standard when others are outperforming Muslims in schools, colleges and universities. Some Muslim students are even boycotting evolutionary Biology in colleges and universities. If you want to be politically correct and pretend to be victims all the time, I think you are in a wrong place.
School and police have handled this sensitive case very well because no body got hurt. A science teacher does not have the expertise to find out whether this was really a bomb or toy. Besides, that is not his/her job. I believe this was a prank and very bad one. School would have treated the matter exactly the same way if this were a white or latino kid.
Here is the real scoop of the story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUwsQHI8exo
Secularists and atheists are not qualitatively the same as the other side of extreme murderous religious nuts, who have been murdering, plundering, enslaving and cleansing some great Muslim and non-Muslim citizens from Muslim countries. That is our true reality. Go to a Muslim country and preach your equal rights and gay rights agenda and see how long you can keep your neck intact?
FYI, Most scientists are basically secularists and atheists because the curiosity and scientific rigor force them to become that. They push the boundaries while religious nuts know only truth.... that is their God, who has been a great commodity to fool the unsuspecting herd for the betterment of their after life.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:Innovation means to find a new use for something that was not designed for that purpose. So using ordinary household items to make something those items were not designed for does count as an innovation. The real story here is that even after their mistake was confirmed by police the school refused to acknowledge their mistake and did not lift the suspension on the student.White House security no doubt has it's own reasons for not creating a precedence on what is brought to the White House. This has nothing to do with the boy's innovation. Frankly I don't fault the school for being alarmed at first. I fault them for not being able to determine through their own science teachers that it was indeed a clock and then failing to reinstate the student after this was confirmed by the police.With respect to secularism you should know by now that I am a strong supporter of secular democracy and make a difference between secularism and secular fundamentalism. Secular fundamentalists are just as intolerant of people's religious beliefs as religious fundamentalists are intolerant of people's lack of religious beliefs. To that extent they are two sides of the same coin. This is why I found it very curious that I was labeled a hypocrite when I pointed out that there was no difference between depraved behaviour in secular countries or Islamic States. Or that a woman objecting to killing over beef eating is no different from Taslima Nasrin standing up for the rights of Hindus.I am strongly committed to secularism which gives equal status to all religions, including the lack of religion. Frankly this was the Islamic way of freedom of belief and conscience. Islamic States are theocracies which violate human rights and oppress women, non Muslims and minority Muslims in the name of Islam. The only way out of the mess the Muslim world is in would be to educate people on what secularism means in terms of freedom of religion and conscience and equality of all citizens. People who are secure in their faith don't have to fear secularism but those who want to enjoy more privileges at the expense of women and minorities will want theocracies which simply don't work. To say that those Islamic States don't follow true Islam is like saying there is no real democracy or no real communism. Every system has problems, do we choose the one that is more just and fair or do we opt for a system that inherently discriminates.Many people are quibbling over whether the recent killing and bombing in Bangladesh was done by ISIS or Jamaat converts to ISIS ideology or just an attempt to embarrass a secular government. The real issue here is that there is an attempt to topple secularism to usher in religious intolerance and we need to be vigilant to protect secularism in Bangladesh. But I digress. Incidentally, Darwin was not a secular fundamentalist, Dawkins and Hitchens are.
Sent from my iPhoneThe problem is that the kid did not innovate anything except creating a suspicious clock. If this is an innovation, our congenital trolls should help this Sudanese family to file a provisional patent on that innovation and enrich the community and state of Sudan. I bet none of these trolls would ever buy such clocks, let alone go near to such devices. And for the very obvious reason Dr. Obama did not want to see or inspect this valuable innovation in his residence. Had anybody taken such clock next to White House lawn, he/she would have been shot with no question asked. It is odd that the kid was called a bomb maker in the past and yet, he went for such great innovation? Pretty silly arguments from our well known die-hard Islamists, who love and thrive on western secularism and yet, call Dawkins, Darwin and Christopher Hitchens as apostates and equate them with rotten religious fundamentalists.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xvlBwW9syQ
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Ali Shaheen <alishaheen2010@gmail.com> wrote:Unfortunately they take their lead from Dawkins, a well known secular fundamentalist who is no different from religious fundamentalists. It appears that even a man of his stature needs to minimize the accomplishments of a child just because he is a Muslim. The boy never claimed to invent the clock, he innovated with ordinary household items to make one. Most inventions come from such innovations where bright people apply their skills to develop new things. It appears that Dr. Dawkins doesn't know the difference between invention and innovation and his so called "objective" mind is so clouded by his Islamophobia that he stoops to picking on a child and some members of the group follow him like sheep. Oh wait! Isn't that what secular fundamentalists call believers?😉
Sent from my iPhone--I am really very embarrassed and disappointed to read the mails by so called Bangladeshi Progressives. They descend so low as to abuse even a child if he is a Muslim. We have to learn to ignore them. They write just to hurt people and destroy peace. I know that I would be very happy if any child, Muslim or of other faiths does something extraordinary. The child deserves to be highly praised. God bless you Ahmed. Go son go and hopefully you achieve heaps.Dr Fatima AshrafiAustralia
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I believe, US President, his Executive Office and the White House are not fools to invite a 14 years old kid Ahmed Mohammed and they know very well whom to invite. They will never ask (or seek) for your advice.Are you superior or above than the US President or his office? If so, go and advice them.Everybody knows, you and cohorts can never reach at the doorstep of your local mayor's mansion by invitation.
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The point was that the kid did not create any new clock as analyzed by the experts (see the link in my first post). Not sure why Obama thought it was a cool clock? The kid was not even allowed to take it to the White house to show to Mr. President. Isn't that a snub? Cool clock still? Then this troll was totally wrong about kid's birth place. Nothing is wrong about being born in Sudan but the facts need to corrected for people to get an objective idea about the case. Not sure why would he made such redundant clock and boast about his creation? Was he on the same page with the other smart kids in science? I do not think so. Being Muslim is not an issue either. As Dawkins said, he fooled everybody.
On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:01:04 PM UTC-4, Haq Katha wrote:This Shah DeEdar (Benoy babu) starts making derogatory and demeaning comments/statements whenever any Muslim (regardless of age or gender) do remarkable achievement either in the US or elsewhere. This anti Islam Shah DeElder (SD) cannot tolerate himself when President of the US, Google or Facebook chiefs hails a 9th grade Muslim kid Ahmed Mohammed for his invention.SD and his cohort Khoniker Othithee (KO) feel jealous because of the Kid was honorably invited by the US President at a high profile event at the White House with nationally and internationally acclaimed scientists. SD and his friends will find any reason to humiliate Muslim and that's their ulterior motives. For the record, SD made a derogatory comment against a young Muslim school girl in youtube before.These Muslim haters (SD and KO) with rotten brains, stinky hearts and hateful motives know very well that they can never reach doorstep of any mansion of their local mayor by invitation. Instead of encouraging Muslim Kid for his good deed, SD and KO discourage by pretending themselves as superiors than the US President, astronauts, scientists, FB and Google chiefs, elected officials, notable dignitaries, etc.
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The kid is not US born but rather a Sudan born subject moved to the US in 2009 with most likely a DV visa. He and his self-appointed Imam father moving on to Qatar to improve Qatari Science and Education. Ironically, US is not big enough or good enough for this 'whizkid'?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world- us-canada-34587285
On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 7:42:13 PM UTC-4, Haq Katha wrote:মার্কিন প্রেসিডেন্ট বারাক ওবামার সঙ্গে সাক্ষাৎ করেছেন টেক্সাসের সেই আলোচিত ঘড়িবালক আহমেদ মোহাম্মদ। সোমবার হোয়াইট হাউসে নাসার বিজ্ঞানীদের সম্মানে আয়োজিত অনুষ্ঠানে যোগ দিয়েছিল ১৪ বছরের মুসলিম বালক আহমেদ।We are proud of this US born young Muslim boy Ahmed Mohammed.
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Today's ninth graders are far more different than their peers of previous generations. They are far more tech savvy by the virtue of their education and information age. A kid should be encouraged for his/her desire to create new things but people should be firmly attached to ground. In third world countries, we were allowed to reinvent the wheels but this is US and kids are creating great unique gizmos and devices as we speak. The news was that this was a Muslim kid, who created something great but whites did not appreciate his work? Ahmed's father is self an appointed radical imam and he did not know... how a post 9/11 society would react to Ahmed's invention? Give me a break! Using Muslim card in every issue will isolate Muslims more in this society as it has done for the blacks. I do not think the kid deserves an automatic place in Ivy league institutions. That would be considered an affirmative action. This kid has to work harder to deserve that honor like many of his peers.
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