I would not call consciousness, compassion, love and other animal behavioral elements as software. These behavioral elements are brain products....that are simply learned and acquired by a baby interacting with the nature. Even identical twins with identical copies of DNA (hardware), one could become totally a different person depending on how he had been nurtured. If one got maltreatment from his parents or from the nature from the get go, he will certainly be different person as you can guess. So, I would rather call external environment including love, food and clean air as molding software. Now, if somebody is missing some crucial neurons from his brain due to a trauma, certain software may not work on him.
On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:42 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I think of human brain as an extremely powerful motherboard, which needs right software to run and function properly, just like a computer motherboard, which needs right software to produce anything.
Different software does different function. In think - those software are our consciousness, compassion, emotion, love, spirit, etc. Brain is useless without these right software.
Every human has brain, but everyone possesses unique software to run, and produce outcome.
No one knows where those software come from. That's the void, filled by God.
Jiten Roy
From: "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Metaphysical Concept of Life & Afterlife
"Brain cells do not produce consciousness; brain just acts like a switch to activate it, just like electric switch, which does not produce light but controls it." JR
Please provide some references for your conclusions. Our consciousness does not exist in our legs but in the brains. What does a brain contain? Intricately connected neurons with supporting cells with full flow of oxygenated blood and essential nutrients. Are they materia based? If the answer is yes, then the case is closed.
Answer to replica houses are very simple. If you carry out blinded experiments with ten different subjects (for the stat), they would not be able to distinguish the difference between the replica houses. Blinded experiments are very common in Biology and they are very essential for objective results.
On Monday, October 26, 2015 9:16 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I agree, the picture of afterlife, heaven or hell, given by religions are fantasy. But, the existence of parallel universe cannot be ruled out, because high probability for their existence is there. We can just look at the sky at night, and think about how much know about those universes.
Atheist's view of life is purely materialistic. To them, existence of God can't be seen or proved, so God does not exist.
The fact is - life is comprised of much more than just materialistic experiences. For example, presence of consciousness can be felt within us, but cannot be proved. Compassion and spirit can be felt, but cannot be proved. When science cannot prove a phenomenon, hypothesis is developed, and as long as it works, science will accept it as such.
Existence of quantum levels or nuclear shells cannot be proved directly, but theoretical models are developed to understand them, and as long as those models work, science will accept them.
If we think of life as just bunch of cells or atoms or molecules, we will not get the whole picture of life. Consciousness is reality, but where does it come from? Bain cells do not produce consciousness; brain just acts like a switch to activate it, just like electric switch, which does not produce light but controls it. If you think switch produce light, you will have wrong idea. Brain does not produce consciousness or compassion. Where do feelings or compassion come from? Neuro-biological sciences have no clue. That does not mean they do not exist.
You can ask a builder to build two identical houses - one for you, and the other for your friend. After the house it built, you enter into your own home, you will have a different feeling than when you will enter into your friend's home. Do we know, here does these different feelings come from? As you can see – two exact homes produce two different feelings. These metaphysical experiences are beyond materialistic experiences.
So, we can't just look for proof for validation of everything. Certain experiences we can never prove, but we accept them in life.
These are natural feelings, and has nothing to do with religion. The lifelong quest for understanding of the spiritual world was the goal of the ancient Sages and Rishis of India.
Jiten Roy
From: "ANISUR RAHMAN anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Metaphysical Concept of Life & Afterlife
After-life is nothing but a fantasy, a delusion or one can say a very neat way of bluffing people. Priests, Rabis, Moulabis all ask us to do this thing or that (as they fancy) or give money to them (for some concocted good cause) and we will be rewarded in the after-life!
Why after-life, not in this life? The answer is quite simple - nobody can check the after-life (as it does not exist) and the fraudster will go scot free. This bluff could have been alright some two thousand or fourteen hundred years ago, but now people are more discerning, more inquisitive and more demanding. Hairy-fairy tales from quantum mechanics, parallel universe, going through the black hole and emerge into a new universe etc are all unproven and bluff.
When one dies, that is the end of him or her. The atoms of his or her body will go back to earth and may form a minute part of a new life - a worm or fish or a cow or a tree and so forth - and that's it.
On Monday, 26 October 2015, 2:36, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"How do we know that such afterlife exists? I know, it can't be proved, but so is the most quantum mechanical events, which cannot be directly observed, but the existence of such event can be demonstrated through other processes. So, it's not necessary that we have to prove the existence of afterlife, but may be able to find indirect validation of it." JR
I think the analogy with quantum mechanics is not right. At least, quantum mechanics has some mathematical reasoning while the existence of afterlife is simply beyond any reasoning whether it is mathematical or other kind of acceptable reasoning. People have tried and failed miserably to convince scientific community. Our souls are basically product of materia. With the death of our brain cells, it ceases to exist beyond the brain. If we assume it exists beyond our brain, it has to be transformed to another form? Does it have a material basis? If it is not materia (even weightless particles) based product beyond our brain, why would it require a good afterlife? How would it sense/differentiate from a good feeling from bad one? And for whom? A bunch of particles tethered to some core particle?
On another issue, I am not sure whether seeing color is so important for a blind and non-blind person. Do color exist in the real world? Not, when you ask a physicist. A very similar argument was raised during the famous Tagore and Einstein conversation about the existence of beauty. The damn beauty does exist either. It is only a perceived feeling for us, mortals.
"Colors exist in very much the same way that art and love exist. They can be perceived, and other people will generally understand you if you talk about them, but they don't really exist in an "out in the world" kind of way. Although you can make up objective definitions that make things like "green", "art", and "love" more real, the definitions are pretty ad-hoc. "
On Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:25 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Jiten Roy
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