From: junaid.sultan <junaid.sultan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: It was Yahya Khan, not Mujib, the inventor of 3 million
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 25 October, 2009, 7:02 PM
I could not like it. I am sad to see how bitter you are feeling but your bitterness is quite obvious and well understood. Unfortunately the truth is bitter.
I will not contest when you say that you are a bigger Bangal than me. (I wish and pray it is true also). Easy son, easy. Don't be upset. You said, "don't pretend you (means me) don't know how much ammunition and evidence is out there for me (means you) to use.' I am not pretending because I really don't know how much ammunition you have with you. (I was trying but unfortunately could not find you name in any book of records). You assume yourself to be on the seventh floor which you are not. Remember pride hatch a fall. False pride definitely.
But I am glad to note that at least little bit of honesty is left in you to admit that you are a "little bit" dishonest. Man, nobody is asking you to stop fighting against evil. Rather I will encourage you to do it more and do it more and more. But don't justify your dishonesty by saying that you are dishonest for a greater cause. That is too much a politician type.
About the 3 million figures I never said that it is a settled issue or it is not. I only said the official Bangladesh stand. Though, I was troubled because you brought it up without any previous context. Was it time and place to bring up this subject?
I don't even have the right to be mad at you. But you know Ejazur, self-criticism is good but sarcasm is bad. There is a line between them, how much thin it may be. You said that your shame and your grief for the nation are far greater than mine. Again, I wish and pray that it is true also.
With lot of regards
Junaid
--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
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> Dear Junaid
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> I am a bigger Bangal than you. Greatness is relative. What is greatness
> in today's Bangladesh can easily be smallness elsewhere. I am mildly
> sarcastic about our social and politcial culture. I exercise
> considerable restraint.
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> Don't pretend you don't know how much ammunition and evidence is out
> there for me to use. The nation's soul begs that the truth is hurled in
> our faces. Your lucky ego is still unchallenged.
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> Your argument is typical of our political condition - irrelevance posing
> as relevance, smartness posing as brilliance. You know nothing about my
> work ethic, how I balance life, where and when and how fast I write.
> Just as I don't know if you are using a yahoo account on your employer's
> time or equipment.
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> You consider using an employers time and server as reason not to
> challenge our political culture. You would make a good Deshi politician.
> A little personal dishonesty should disqualify one from fighting
> dishonesty, corruption and decay on the national stage? I never stole
> from anyone, beat anyone up, paid a bribe, ruined a young person's
> future, destroyed a career, punished honesty, forced anyone to leave the
> country, decimated hope, exploited ignorance and illiteracy. Our
> politcial parties do. I understand that this does not upset you or make
> angry. But some kuthas like me find it outrageously unacceptable. Very
> strange na?
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> Let me be clear. Having personal vices and personal crimes excuses no
> citizen from demanding the best accountability, transparency and
> performance from elected officials.
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> So your reply to a challenge on if 3 million died is how do I know it is
> less?! Brilliant defence.
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> And you refer to my Pakistani lords?! See.. you can't help your
> khasloth.. Just as I can't help my khasloth :) Only difference is you
> would rather keep quiet about it but I want to shine a torch on it.
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> Who says the 3 million number is settled? Its not settled. Nothing is
> ever settled. W|hat else is settled? Everything is swept under the
> madhoor. You know that. Why do you write as if I am not a fellow Bangal?
> But you have a point - why bring it up at all. Well. Because look at our
> everyday condition - I believe our cage should be rattled very hard. And
> just our collective propensity to be silent on any number of issues is
> directly proportional to my propensity to be offensive.
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> And I ask the good angel on my right shoulder, so bored with little to
> record, to take note of every deep offence I give to every politcially
> minded Deshi, as long as my country continues as it has done since 1971.
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> Don't feel too mad at me. My shame and my grief for my nation are far
> greater than yours. I am punished enough. Enjoy your peace.
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> Best wishes.
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "junaid.sultan" junaid.sultan@
> wrote:
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> > Dear Mr. Ejazur
> >
> > They say that some are born great, some are made great and some have
> > greatness thrust upon them. By your mail anybody can assume that you
> are
> > a born great. Come on stop this crap. Put your feet on the ground. I
> > don't know you are a "real Bengali" or not, though you
> > always portray yourself to be above a "real Bengali". Not this
> > time only, in the past also you have been very sarcastic about
> Bengalis.
> > One may wonder how you get so much time to write on every subject in
> > this forum. So you live in Kuwait. Some of your posting suggest you
> work
> > with KPC as you were writing from KPC server. Mr. Great you are using
> > KPC server and KPC time to write in this forum. And you are preaching
> > honesty. Typical, is not it? Not a "real Bengali" type.
> >
> > Official Bangladesh stand is 3 million died during its war of
> > liberation. You questioned it and suggest it was 300,000. How you know
> > it was 300,000? Your lords in Pakistan say it was only around 30,000.
> > And on what context you brought in the issue of how many died in
> > Bangladesh War of Liberation? If I recollect, it was not an issue.
> Issue
> > was how many votes were casted during 2008 election.
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> > And I suggest you to write less but write with sense. Work for your
> > employer during working hours. He is paying you for that. And leave
> some
> > job for the future historian. Let him also work on something. We the
> > "real Bengalis" have enough problems to tackle and have enough
> > issues to talk. For God sake don't make settled issues (at the least
> > as it looks like now) another controversy.
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> > With lot of regards
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> >
> > Junaid
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll have to talk in your language.
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> > > If my mother and sister were raped I would talk about my mother and
> > sister and any other victim I knew of. If your mother and sister were
> > raped you would not even acknowledge it (after all real Bengali na?) -
> > unless of course you had the melodrama and smokescreen of saying all
> the
> > women in the entire village were raped!
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> > > The average Deshi male turns his back on justice for, and
> > acknowedgement of, rape victims within his own family even today - let
> > alone back then. So don't get all high and mighty with your political
> > use of the word rape.
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> > > While better people than me are busy with poverty alleviation and
> the
> > role of religion and the price of fertiliser in Dinajpur I am here to
> > deal with political exploitation by people like you.
> > >
> > > Stand your ground. Or skip away - its not like you ever had much to
> > say anyway.
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> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, ratri@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess ignorance is a bliss of solitude for you ! You wouldn't
> dare
> > to comment like that if your mother or sister was raped , or a family
> > member was brutally killed , then again I am wasting my time to dumb
> > narrow minded jack ass !
> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "ezajur" ezajur.rahman@
> > > > Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:45:02
> > > > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: It was Yahya Khan, not Mujib, the inventor
> > of 3 million
> > > >
> > > > Dear Alochok Farida
> > > >
> > > > A million deaths here or there is irrelevant only in a cosmic
> sense.
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> > > > Down in the gutter of our politics, how many died in 1971 is the
> > single
> > > > most important question that should be answered by Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > We pay the price for thinking that the real number does not matter
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> > > > because, as a result, now NOTHING matters.
> > > >
> > > > The sanctity we afford the number 3 million has sanctified our
> bold
> > > > stupidity.
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> > > > The institutionalisatio n of the number 3 million has
> > institutionalised
> > > > our crass mediocrity.
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> > > > That number props up our egos, our insecurities and our delusions.
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> > > > That number cheapens the value of life and lightens the loss of
> > life.
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> > > > We cannot even begin to describe how negatively that number has
> > shaped
> > > > our politics and our conscience.
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> > > > There are dirty reasons why we don't talk about it. And none of
> the
> > > > reasons are in the context of the cosmos.
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> > > > These reasons are the very same reasons for our condition. I can't
> > write
> > > > about them because I don't think the English language can
> > accommodate
> > > > the scale of political depravity in Bangladesh.
> > > >
> > > > Ezajur Rahman
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> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@>
> wrote:
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> > > > > I try to avoid getting into the '3 million killed' argument. It
> is
> > a
> > > > pointless argument, as if a million subtracted here or added there
> > makes
> > > > a whole lot of difference. Below is a snippet excerpt from
> something
> > I
> > > > wrote on Genocide of 1971 two years ago.
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> > > > > He quotes R. J. Rummel again: "It was Yahya Khan, then President
> > > > of Pakistan", who said regarding his ill-conceived miliitary
> > crackdown
> > > > on East Pakistan in March, 1971: "Kill three million of them and
> the
> > > > rest will eat out of our hands" (p315).
> > > > >
> > > > > The intended number to be killed mentioned in the statement of
> > Yahya
> > > > is not nearly as important as the explicit aim for mass killing
> that
> > is
> > > > expressed in the bombast there. And the aim of this mass killing
> was
> > to
> > > > make "them" eat out of "our" hands.
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------
> > > > > But that was Pakistani military's neo-colonial aim. I
> distinguish
> > > > between that aim and the one that was in the blackened hearts of
> the
> > > > Bengali Razakars as they conducted the mass murders of
> > fellow-countrymen
> > > > in 1971. Those Razakars (and their newer versions) with the same
> > > > murederous desires in their hearts are still among us. We keep
> > knocking
> > > > over them even in this forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Farida Majid
> > > > >
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