Funny how you can only conceive of swapping one yoke for another?
Here's a novel idea for the sizeable chip on your shoulder - freedom for Bangladeshis. Can you imagine it?
Clearly not.
Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@rahman.com
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From: "ANDREWL" <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:10:32
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Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
Thanks for letting us know, ...
.
* ... Indian Army is everywhere in B.D. looting, raping and killing us since you claim, we just replaced Paki Yoke with Indian Yoke.
* ... we are now India Occupied.
* ... our Politicians working for India are now abusing us, when our loving Paki Masters never had such Politicians.
Please let us know, if now you want to replace India with Pakistan so we can send you to a Mental Hospital of choice ...! One in B.D. or the big one, Pakistan.
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--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@...> wrote:
>
> While we are at it the war of 1971 was neither a civil war nor a war of liberation. It was a change in yoke only - India for Pakistan. Unless having a flag is the definition of freedom!
>
> Mind you, the way our politicians abuse us and the way we accept nee encourage and defend that abuse either there is an epidemic of Stockholm Syndrome or we are literally little more than cattle.
>
>
> Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "ezajur" <Ezajur@...>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:27:54
> To: <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
>
> What's with the "you people" business? Contempt for AL hoodlums and idiots does not always automatically translate into support for the hoodlums and idiots of other parties. Unless of course one is a hoodlum or idiot of AL and BNP in the first place.
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>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ANDREWL" <turkman@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh sure and you people never chant any slogans, never come on streets and never vandalize. You just sit in your Mosques and pray for man-kind everyday, right?
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Emanur Rahman" <emanur@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This calls for an Awami League "missil" surely? They can burn cars, buses, books and fight running battles with a few policemen (unlikely) and chant great slogans about Mujib and his dynasty. In fact, anything but....
> > >
> > > ....lodge any kind of meaningful protest with these respected academics and publishers.
> > >
> > > After all, who apart from themselves would take any of their drivel seriously??
> > >
> > >
> > > Emanur Rahman | m. +447734567561 | e. emanur@
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Mahbubur Razzaque" <mmrazzaque@>
> > > Sender: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:48:00
> > > To: <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>; <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: <banglarnari@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [ALOCHONA] The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > >
> > > The war of 1971: Civil War or Liberation War?
> > >
> > > M. Mahbubur Razzaque
> > >
> > > The recent incidents related to the international war-crime tribunal in
> > > Bangladesh led me to look into the academic records on the war of 1971.
> > > Though the Bangladeshi people considers the war as "liberation war" of
> > > Bangladesh, the academic records of all international institutions generally
> > > mentions it as either civil war or India-Pakistan war.
> > >
> > > I browsed a number of popular encyclopedia such as:
> > >
> > > 1. Encyclopedia Britannica of Encyclopedia Britannica Inc.,
> > >
> > > 2. World Encyclopedia, A Dictionary of World History, The Oxford
> > > Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Concise Oxford Companion to the
> > > English Language of Oxford University Press,
> > >
> > > 3. The Columbia Encyclopedia of Columbia University Press,
> > >
> > > 4. Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh of the Asiatic
> > > Society of Bangladesh and
> > >
> > > 5. MSN Encarta of Microsoft Inc.
> > >
> > > The records under the entry Bangladesh are listed below:
> > >
> > > 1. Bangladesh emerged as an independent and sovereign country on 16
> > > December 1971 following a nine month WAR OF LIBERATION.
> > >
> > > Source: Banglapedia: National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh, Vol. 1, Published
> > > by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh, March 2003.
> > >
> > > 2. In 1971, the territory seceded from Pakistan during a short war
> > > and became independent.
> > >
> > > Source: Concise Oxford Companion to the English Language, 1998, Author: TOM
> > > McARTHUR
> > >
> > > 3. The Awami League a political party campaigned openly for
> > > Bengali autonomy. In 1970 the Awami League won a majority of seats in the
> > > National Assembly, but the Pakistan government postponed convening the
> > > Assembly. Violence erupted and guerrilla warfare resulted. Millions of
> > > refugees fled to India, which finally entered the war on the side of the
> > > Bengalis and ensured West Pakistan's defeat. On December, 16, 1971, East
> > > Bengal became the independent nation of Bangladesh, with the capital at
> > > Dhaka.
> > > S
> > > ource: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 1, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > >
> > > 4. In 1970 elections, the Awami League, led by Mujibur Rahman, won a
> > > landslide victory. In March 1971, the League unilaterally declared
> > > independence and civil war ensued. During nine months of fighting, more than
> > > one million East Bengalis were killed and millions more forced into exile,
> > > mainly to India. With Indian military assistance, East Bengal defeated
> > > Pakistan and gained independence as Bangladesh.
> > >
> > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > >
> > > 5. In 1966 the Awami League put forward a demand for greater
> > > autonomy which it proposed to implement after its victory in the 1970
> > > elections. In March 1971, when this demand was rejected by the military
> > > government of Pakistan, civil war began, leading to a massive exodus of
> > > refugees to India. India sent help to the East Pakistan guerrillas (the
> > > Mukti Bahini). In the war of December 1971, Indian troops defeated the
> > > Pakistan forces in East Pakistan. The independence of Bangladesh was
> > > proclaimed in 1971 and recognized by Pakistan in 1974.
> > >
> > > Source: A Dictionary of World History, Published by Oxford University Press,
> > > 2000.
> > >
> > > 6. The government's attempts to forestall the autonomy bid led to
> > > general strikes and nonpayment of taxes in East Pakistan and finally to
> > > civil war on Mar. 25, 1971. On the following day the Awami League's leaders
> > > proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh. During the months of conflict an
> > > estimated one million Bengalis were killed in East Pakistan and another 10
> > > million fled into exile in India.
> > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > >
> > > 7. By the mid 1950s Bengali enthusiasm for the Muslim League, which
> > > had spearheaded Pakistani independence, became deeply eroded. The growing
> > > rift between Pakistan's eastern and western wings broke into rebellion in
> > > 1971, and, led by the secular nationalist Awami League, an independent
> > > Bangladesh was born.
> > >
> > > Source: The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, Vol. 1: Editor
> > > in chief: J. L.
> > > Esposito, Published by: Oxford University Press, 1995.
> > >
> > > Whether we like it or not, it is only the Banglapedia where the war of at
> > > the birth of Bangladesh is reported as the WAR OF LIBERATION. This
> > > encyclopedia is published by the Asiatic Society of Bangladesh.
> > > Unfortunately other encyclopedias published by famous academic publishers
> > > associated with renowned academic institutions reported the war as either a
> > > civil war or a rebellion.
> > >
> > >
> > > The records of other entries under Mujibur Rahman, Dhaka, India, Pakistan
> > > and India Pakistan Wars are listed below:
> > >
> > > Entry: Mujibur RahmanThe conflict between East and West Pakistan climaxed
> > > after the Dec., 1970, elections, in which the Awami League won a majority.
> > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto , leader of West Pakistan, refused to agree to demands
> > > for autonomy, and Mujib was imprisoned in West Pakistan. Civil war broke out
> > > in Mar., 1971, when Pakistani troops were sent to put down protests in East
> > > Pakistan. With the aid of India, East Pakistani guerrillas proclaimed an
> > > independent Bangladesh , and defeated the Pakistani army in late 1971.
> > >
> > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > >
> > > Entry: Dhaka
> > > Severely damaged during the war of independence from Pakistan, it became
> > > capital of independent Bangladesh (1971).
> > >
> > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > >
> > > Entry: India
> > > But these years also witnessed three brief wars between India and Pakistan,
> > > the last of which resulted in an independent Bangladesh in 1971.
> > >
> > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 6, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > >
> > > Entry: Pakistan:
> > > In East Pakistan demands grew for Bengali autonomy, and civil war between
> > > East and West erupted in 1971. Aided by an invasion of the Indian army, East
> > > Pakistan became the independent county of Bangladesh in 1972.
> > >
> > > Source: The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 9, Published by: Encyclopedia
> > > Britannica Inc., 1994.
> > >
> > > East Pakistan declared its independence as Bangladesh on Mar. 26, 1971, but
> > > was then placed under martial law and occupied by the Pakistani army, which
> > > was composed entirely of troops from West Pakistan. In the ensuing civil
> > > war, some 10 million refugees fled to India and hundreds of thousands of
> > > civilians were killed. India supported Bangladesh and on Dec. 3, 1971, sent
> > > troops into East Pakistan. Following a two-week war between Pakistan and
> > > India, in which fighting also broke out along the India-West Pakistan
> > > border, Pakistani troops in East Pakistan surrendered (Dec. 16) and a cease-
> > > fire was declared on all fronts.
> > >
> > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, 2007
> > >
> > > Entry: India-Pakistan Wars The third war arose out of the civil war between
> > > East and West Pakistan in 1971. India intervened in support of East Pakistan
> > > (Bangladesh), and (West) Pakistan suffered a decisive defeat.
> > >
> > > Source: World Encyclopedia, Published by Oxford University Press, 2005.
> > >
> > > The 1971 War
> > >
> > > Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan,
> > > pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater
> > > autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to
> > > India.
> > >
> > > Source: The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., 2007, Columbia University Press.
> > >
> > > Article: Pakistan : wars : secession of Bangladesh: 1971: Pakistan
> > > This year the differences between East Pakistan and West Pakistan erupted
> > > into a civil war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands in the
> > > eastern part of the country, which is divided from West Pakistan by 1,000
> > > miles and by profound differences in culture and language.
> > >
> > > Source: MSN Encarta
> > > http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=Bangladesh+war
> > >
> > >
> > > Other than in the entry Dhaka in the World Encyclopedia of Oxford University
> > > Press, the liberation war of Bangladesh is described as a civil war. It may
> > > be concluded that Bangladesh has failed to make majority of the academicians
> > > of the west recognize Bangladesh liberation war in the academic records.
> > >
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