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From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
Thank you for forwarding the views of Ezajur. With his ironic expressions and rather oblique style, he correctly interpreted that the word 'imposed' meant 'collusion between the West, the CTG and the Army'. He also correctly asserted:""Serving the Indians?" Well. Zoglul is not alone in thinking this and could probably provide the basis for his arguments if you bothered to engage him directly." Ezajur also quite pungently pointed to Farida, "Dishonesty in government should trouble you more". I think in many areas Ezajur has views similar to yours and mine.
This is a good rebuttal to Farida for calling the Alochona group 'mela of blind and deaf people' and the posting of our views in the group as 'dishonest'. Her servitude to the Indian hegemonists is quite repugnant, degrading and pathetic.
You probably already have seen an email from Mohd. Haque, in reply to Ezajur, saying: 'Dishonesty in government should trouble you more than dishonesty by any nutcase in this forum.' You have said it Ezaz. Leave aside the honesty or dishonesty, you know where the pain lies.
The expression, 'you know where the pain lies', I think, said it all!
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:26:04 +0600
Subject: Fwd: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
From: bdmailer@gmail.com
To: zoglul@hotmail.co.uk
This is a good rebuttal to Farida for calling the Alochona group 'mela of blind and deaf people' and the posting of our views in the group as 'dishonest'. Her servitude to the Indian hegemonists is quite repugnant, degrading and pathetic.
You probably already have seen an email from Mohd. Haque, in reply to Ezajur, saying: 'Dishonesty in government should trouble you more than dishonesty by any nutcase in this forum.' You have said it Ezaz. Leave aside the honesty or dishonesty, you know where the pain lies.
The expression, 'you know where the pain lies', I think, said it all!
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:26:04 +0600
Subject: Fwd: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
From: bdmailer@gmail.com
To: zoglul@hotmail.co.uk
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From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Fwd: Major Akhtar says
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Alochona, like most other forums and groupings of Bangladeshis, is a microcosm of our nation - complete with idiots, mischief makers, well meaning buffoons and bleeding hearts. I enjoy it and engaging numbskulls is half the battle.
You are dealing with Bangladesh. Some stupidity is inevitable - its a question of engaging it or fighting it. After all, stupidity by AL and BNP is running, and ruining, the country.
Lets look at what Zoglul actually has written: "the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist government serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh".
"Illegal?". The government is legal since no BNP men ever thought they were going to win the election. Most I know actually realise they didn't deserve to win the election either.
"Imposed? Well that depends on the truth. Do you know what the truth is? If you do please enlighten us. The word imposed comes from suspicions of collusion between the West, the CTG and the Army.
"Autocratic?" YOU BET! Unless you've come across an AL/BNP man who has the guts, the brains or the kahunas to disagree with his Nethri. Applies to BNP too when it was in power.
"Fascist?" Well its an exaggeration of course but the description is not too far from the truth. It ties in with "autocractic" and it ties in with the way AL thugs and supporters operate - using political power as a weapon. Applies to BNP too when it was in power.
"Serving the Indians?" Well. Zoglul is not alone in thinking this and could probably provide the basis for his arguments if you bothered to engage him directly.
Dishonesty in government should trouble you more than dishonesty by any nutcase in this forum. But I do undertand why it is convenient to have things the other way round.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
>
>
> This Alochona group has become a mela of deaf and blind people. bdmailer keeps posting mails from a Zaglaal from U.K. who pretends to be a bangladeshi, but missed the General Election of Dec. 2008 that took place in Bangladesh and which was acknowledged by the world as one of the largest in terms of the number of voter participation. Imported in this group by bdmailer on a regulae basis, this member of the hukkah-hua choir is claiming to own the TRUTH:
>
> "He [Akhtaruzzaman] said, there is a democratic government existing in Bangladesh now. But the truth is: the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist govt serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh".
>
> There is no greater truth than this in current BD politics! This so called TRUTH is in the tin cup being rattled with a few chucked out coins. The tin cup is held in one hand of a person wearing dark glaesses. In his other hand is a long white stick. And he stands in a busy corner of a shopping mall heckling passers by.
>
> As an original member of Alochona I find this level of dishonesty in the group's postings exploitative and truly troubling.
>
> Farida Majid
>
>
> From: bdmailer@...
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:08:41 +0600
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fwd: Major Akhtar says
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@...>
> Date: Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:38 AM
>
>
> The report of 'Protidin' probably intentionally did not include certain aspects of Maj (Rtd) Akhtaruzzaman's statement. They seem to have taken resort to manipulations of half-truths. The important part of the statement is: In the statement, Maj (Rtd) Akhtaruzzaman, who was expelled from BNP, opposed Khaleda and supported Hasina and Mujib. Please see the following report from the Amader Shomoy, 30 November 2010:
>
> http://www.amadershomoy1.com/content/2010/11/30/news0471.htm
>
> He said, Hartal is not a democratic programme. But, the truth is: the right to strike is accepted internationally as one of the most important democratic rights. So, he is ignorant about it. Then he said, it is an uncivilised action against an uncivilised government. Again, this is an ignorant, arrogant and uncivil statement, he should go through the records of strikes in the countries, which are known to be democratic.
>
> He said, there is a democratic government existing in Bangladesh now. But the truth is: the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist govt serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh. The previous Hasina govt (1996-2001) was an elected govt. However, Bangladesh did not really have a good democratic govt.
>
> He said, in the third world, the army is a very disciplined political party. But the truth is: it is not a political party. Does he understand what a political party is?
>
> He said Khaleda lost her residence, because she celebrated her birthday on 15 August and because Khaleda is against the army. Has he lost his screws?? Does he not know that it is RAW is the prime mover in this episode? He said, (Khaleda has been) 'living in Bangladesh and walking bravely after uttering words against Bangabondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, - this cannot be allowed to happen, as times have changed'. Has he now been working for RAW ?
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:16:43 +0600
> Subject: Major Akhtar says
> From: bdmailer@...
>
Major Akhtar says
>
> http://www.bd-pratidin.com/?view=details&type=pratidin&pub_no=214&cat_id=1&menu_id=1&news_type_id=1&news_id=39286
You are dealing with Bangladesh. Some stupidity is inevitable - its a question of engaging it or fighting it. After all, stupidity by AL and BNP is running, and ruining, the country.
Lets look at what Zoglul actually has written: "the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist government serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh".
"Illegal?". The government is legal since no BNP men ever thought they were going to win the election. Most I know actually realise they didn't deserve to win the election either.
"Imposed? Well that depends on the truth. Do you know what the truth is? If you do please enlighten us. The word imposed comes from suspicions of collusion between the West, the CTG and the Army.
"Autocratic?" YOU BET! Unless you've come across an AL/BNP man who has the guts, the brains or the kahunas to disagree with his Nethri. Applies to BNP too when it was in power.
"Fascist?" Well its an exaggeration of course but the description is not too far from the truth. It ties in with "autocractic" and it ties in with the way AL thugs and supporters operate - using political power as a weapon. Applies to BNP too when it was in power.
"Serving the Indians?" Well. Zoglul is not alone in thinking this and could probably provide the basis for his arguments if you bothered to engage him directly.
Dishonesty in government should trouble you more than dishonesty by any nutcase in this forum. But I do undertand why it is convenient to have things the other way round.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
>
>
> This Alochona group has become a mela of deaf and blind people. bdmailer keeps posting mails from a Zaglaal from U.K. who pretends to be a bangladeshi, but missed the General Election of Dec. 2008 that took place in Bangladesh and which was acknowledged by the world as one of the largest in terms of the number of voter participation. Imported in this group by bdmailer on a regulae basis, this member of the hukkah-hua choir is claiming to own the TRUTH:
>
> "He [Akhtaruzzaman] said, there is a democratic government existing in Bangladesh now. But the truth is: the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist govt serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh".
>
> There is no greater truth than this in current BD politics! This so called TRUTH is in the tin cup being rattled with a few chucked out coins. The tin cup is held in one hand of a person wearing dark glaesses. In his other hand is a long white stick. And he stands in a busy corner of a shopping mall heckling passers by.
>
> As an original member of Alochona I find this level of dishonesty in the group's postings exploitative and truly troubling.
>
> Farida Majid
>
>
> From: bdmailer@...
> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:08:41 +0600
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fwd: Major Akhtar says
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Zoglul Husain <zoglul@...>
> Date: Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:38 AM
>
>
> The report of 'Protidin' probably intentionally did not include certain aspects of Maj (Rtd) Akhtaruzzaman's statement. They seem to have taken resort to manipulations of half-truths. The important part of the statement is: In the statement, Maj (Rtd) Akhtaruzzaman, who was expelled from BNP, opposed Khaleda and supported Hasina and Mujib. Please see the following report from the Amader Shomoy, 30 November 2010:
>
> http://www.amadershomoy1.com/content/2010/11/30/news0471.htm
>
> He said, Hartal is not a democratic programme. But, the truth is: the right to strike is accepted internationally as one of the most important democratic rights. So, he is ignorant about it. Then he said, it is an uncivilised action against an uncivilised government. Again, this is an ignorant, arrogant and uncivil statement, he should go through the records of strikes in the countries, which are known to be democratic.
>
> He said, there is a democratic government existing in Bangladesh now. But the truth is: the present government is an illegally imposed autocratic and fascist govt serving Indian interest against the interests of Bangladesh. The previous Hasina govt (1996-2001) was an elected govt. However, Bangladesh did not really have a good democratic govt.
>
> He said, in the third world, the army is a very disciplined political party. But the truth is: it is not a political party. Does he understand what a political party is?
>
> He said Khaleda lost her residence, because she celebrated her birthday on 15 August and because Khaleda is against the army. Has he lost his screws?? Does he not know that it is RAW is the prime mover in this episode? He said, (Khaleda has been) 'living in Bangladesh and walking bravely after uttering words against Bangabondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, - this cannot be allowed to happen, as times have changed'. Has he now been working for RAW ?
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:16:43 +0600
> Subject: Major Akhtar says
> From: bdmailer@...
>
Major Akhtar says
>
> http://www.bd-pratidin.com/?view=details&type=pratidin&pub_no=214&cat_id=1&menu_id=1&news_type_id=1&news_id=39286
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