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From: abid bahar <
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To: Mozammel Hoque <
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Subject: [notun_bangladesh] Re: Published Jul 0410 NayaDiganta
Hamla-Mamla-Mukhbajir-Shason
Brave Bangladesh!
Abid Bahar
------------ ----
We love our cup of tea
We will have our Bangladesh dream swear on thee!
But divided we fall
Brave Bangladeshis all
!A declaration, a Bangladesh Doctrine for all people
We hold these truths to be self-evident and applicable.
On God and on the People's Assambly we place reliance
We will remove the enemy as advisors and crocodiles in our ports and bid with
defiance.
Snakes and Ladders in Bangladesh politics;
democracy is the ladder in essence
Fascism is the biggest snake, with the Chatro League,
i'ts all in common sense.
Indian hegemony is the dangerous snake we know in Nehru's mens
Don't tell me nonsense
but we can make it with patriotism and our conscience
.Enemies wouldn't dare Bangladesh to end
Only it will, if Moin U wins more horses and friends
This is our land
Better know we are not frightened.
Bangladeshis, join hand in hand
United we stand.
Sons of freedom
let's establish democracy against fascism.
Brave Bangladesh
The banners of virtue of our land shall walk with us
Mir Jaffor will go down to history and hush
Our heroes lead on, and the foe fly before us.
The gloomy nights before us flies
with cowards, Jaffors and spies
Great men will rule the land
With Bangladesh patriots hand in hand!
(Abid Bahar, playwright and public speaker, teaches in Canada)
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Mozammel Hoque <mhr2070@gmail. com> wrote:
dear mr barua,
>thanks for your mail address to mr zaman,
>being a non certificate freedom fighter i understand we were only ready to fight
>against bloody Pakistani misrule over bangalees for both politically and
>economically, situations have created by pakistani bloody rulers in the night of
>25th march we had no other way but to declare Independence against bloody
>pakistani ruler.
>
>now about dream of independence all we started thinning after 25th of march.
>first of all independence from pakistan then other part to things.
>about independence one of the Indian generals comment(general Aurora) said qte
>we were not bothering independence of bangladesh rather to disintegrate pakistan
>unqte. he made this comment about 15teen years back in his Delhi resident on
>a private dinner party
>
>however we have one piece of land and we call BANGLADESH, OUR BANGLADESH OUR
>MOTHERLAND.
>now we should work to gather to build up the nation and to have participation's
>of all ,, it is no body's father's land it is our dream land BANGLADESH,hunger
>and poverty free bangladesh.
>regards.
>mozammel hoque
>
>On 7/19/10, Rahul Barua <baruaboss@gmail. com> wrote:
>Dear Mr. Zaman,
>>
>>
>>Thanks for Participation on discussion.
>>
>>Though Liberation is very important for a Nation u trying to show that it not so
>>important in ur mail.I don't understand without Liberation how u will became a
>>Major ?
>>
>>Most of the Muktijoddha & Citizens of country knows what was the Spirit of the
>>Liberation War? So we do not need document from any Razakar.
>>
>>Our constitution in 1972 is the basic of constitution of Bangladesh. Some People
>>like Mr. Zaman always try to attack it. I would not try to say it is changable
>>but Basic Article must be reserved. To attack easily Mr. Zaman raise an Quetion
>>of AGE of Dr. Kamal Hossen who was draft it and eyebrow raise up about his
>>Maturity.
>>
>>I Inform you mr. Zaman, Hundred of respectable personalities in the world who
>>gave their greatest achievements to serve the people. Some of those are:
>>
>>Law/government/ politics
>> * The Declaration of Independence, USA
>> * Jeffersonwas 33 when he wrote this
>> * Justinian'scodification of Roman Law
>> * Accomplished in his mid 40's
>> * Henry II's codification of English law
>> * Henry's contributions to English law came after he became king at age 21.
>>Literature
>> * William Shakespeare (started writing career after age 25)
>> * Dante
>> * The Divine Comedy(begun at age 42)
>> * Goethe
>> * Die Leiden des jungen Werthers(published ~25)
>> * Charles Dickens
>> * Oliver Twist(age 25-27)
>> * A Christmas Carol(31)
>> * David Copperfield(37) Herman Melville
>> * Moby Dick(32) Harper Lee
>> * To Kill a Mockingbird(written while in her 30's) Jane Austen
>> * Pride and Prejudice(38)
>> * Sense and Sensibility(begun age 20, published age 36) Homer
>> * The Odyssey(age unknown, but no prevailing theories maintain that Homer was a
>>teenager when writing this, if he existed at all) Walt Whitman
>>
>> * Leaves of Grass(36) T.S. Eliot
>> * The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock(published ~27; written ~22-23)
>> * The Waste Land(published ~34, after several years' work) Samuel Taylor
>>Coleridge
>>
>> * The Rime of the Ancient Mariner(written & published ~26)
>> * Kubla Khan(published ~44; written ~25)
>>Medicine
>> * Alexander Fleming, 39 - Discovered penicillin and the concept of antibiotics.
>>
>> * Jonas Salk, 41 - introduced the polio vaccine
>> * William Harvey - pioneered the understanding of the circulatory system.
>>Accomplished well after his teenage years.
>>
>>Philosophy
>> * Martin Heidegger
>> * Being and Time(published at 38)
>> * David Hume
>> * An Enquiry concerning Human Understanding(published at 37)
>> * Arthur Schopenhauer
>> * The World as Will and Representation(published at 31)
>> * Ludwig Wittgenstein
>> * Tractatus Logico-Philosophicu s(age 32)
>> * Philosophical Investigations(published posthumously, written late in life,
>>well after his teenage years) Friedrich Nietzsche (most significant
>>accomplishments came after his teenage years) Socrates (his ideas come to us
>>through the writing of Plato, who never presented him as a teenager when he was
>>teaching philosophy) Spinoza
>>
>> * Ethics(published posthumously, written after his teenage years)
>>Religion
>> * Gautam Buddha
>> * At the age of 35, he attained Enlightenment, then he started to teach the
>>dharma to the world.
>>
>> * New Testament
>> * Various authors. St. Paul, a major one, was probably in his early 30's when
>>he was converted on the road to Damascus;
>>
>> * The Koran
>> * Mohammad allegedly saw his first visions at 40
>> * Luther's 95 Theses
>> * Written at 34
>> * Jesus
>> * Teachings of Jesus (his ministry was from age 30 - 33)
>> * Swami Vivekananda
>> * Introduced Hinduism at the Parliament of the World's Religionsat Chicagoin
>>1893, when he was 30 and died 1902 when he was 39
>>
>>Science
>> * Periodic table of the elements
>> * Mendeleev was in his 30's when compiling this
>> * Einstein
>> * Special theory of relativity (aged 26)
>> * General theory of relativity (aged 37) Darwin's theory of Evolution
>> * Clearly not a Schlafly favorite, but undeniably one of the greatest
>>scientific accomplishments. Darwin's first notes on evolution were made when he
>>was 28 Identification of the DNA molecule.
>>
>> * Watson, Crick, and Russell were not teenagers anymore.
>>Speeches/orations
>> * Martin Luther King
>> * "I have a dream" (age 34)
>> * John F. Kennedy
>> * Inaugural address (age 43)
>> * Cicero
>> * Catiline Orations (aged approximately 43)
>> * William Jennings Bryan
>> * "Cross of Gold" speech (age 36)
>> * William Wilberforce
>> * "Abolition Speech" (age 29)
>> * Jonathan Edwards
>> * "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" (age 37)
>>Inventions
>> * Telephone
>> * Generally credited to Alexander Graham Bell, who was 28 at the time
>> * Phonograph
>> * Edison's work on this was done when he was 30.
>> * Radio
>> * Credited to Nikola Tesla at the age of 35
>> * Marconi, another pioneer in this field, did most of his work in his 20's and
>>later Airplane
>>
>> * Orville Wright, the younger of the two famous brothers, was 32 when they
>>first achieved flight. Cotton Gin
>>
>> * Developed by Eli Whitney at age 28 (Claim to fame: caused US Civil War, which
>>wasn't so "civil")
>>
>>
>> * World Wide Web
>> * Tim John Berners-Lee (born 8 June 1955) is an English computer scientist
>>credited with inventing the World Wide Web. On 25 December 1990 he implemented
>>the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the
>>Internet.
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>RAHUL BARUA
>>
>>
>>On 7/12/10, Major Zaman <majzaman@bol-
online.com> wrote:
>>Dear Mr. Rahul Barua:
>>>1. Salam & thanks for the discourse. I appreciate your participation through
>>>two mails.
>>>
>>>2. I won't comment on the topic (article of Mr Alam) nor on your points. As I
>>>see around, few things haunt me every time! Some of those are:
>>> * We as a nation have very little respect for others including other
>>>viewpoints. In most cases, other viewpoints are regarded as opposition, Instead
>>>of refuting; we take robust approach to crush!
>>> * Our actions are overwhelmingly on perception, rather than analysis or logic
>>>based. We have need & greed & a unique psych to attain everything in double
>>>quick time, at ease & without investment-a proposition absurd by any standard.
>>>Given this psych, just put two things together, 'Money' & 'Propaganda'. This is
>>>why things are so inflammable & day by day we are heading for chaotic situation.
>>>Not sure where we are going!
>>> * Independence or Liberation (in our case both) is very important for any
>>>nation, but not 'The Only Issue' in very case! Look at Gibraltar-they don't want
>>>independence from UK.
>>>
>>> * Fortunate, that we gained Independence twice (1947 & 1971). Had there not
>>>been 1947, could we have become what we are today?
>>> * We have a flag & a map true-but lets ask, how much sovereign we are to take
>>>decisions that serves our national goal
>>> * We loose the sight of objectivity & marred by self gain/interest- at times
>>>knowingly, at times on whims and in most cases without considering the
>>>consequences!
>>> * Lets ask ourselves, those who were entrusted to draft the constitution in
>>>1972-what was there age! Dr Kamal Hossain, one of the principal figures of the
>>>group was in his early 30s & others were not much senior to him too! So with
>>>such maturity how can we expect that the constitution that was adpoted will
>>>accommodate all aspects that a sovereign nation aspires for? Where as many
>>>today think that going back to 1972 constitution is the way forward to address
>>>all challenges that we are faced with! To my judgment, many in our society, who
>>>matters in the national opinion building hold this idea unwaveringly! So what's
>>>the destination then?
>>> * Still we couldn't prepare a flawless list of the Freedom Fighters, the nation
>>>doesn't know how many of us gave their lives for the birth of the nation ( we
>>>say 3 million, not supported by any document & again not sure, what is the ratio
>>>of the Bangla & Urdu speaking people)
>>>
>>>3. Having said all these, I have a humble question, what do we mean by the
>>>term, "Spirit of the Liberation War?" To my understanding, the 'Sacrifice for
>>>the national cause & aspiration to decolonalize' is missing all together! I will
>>>remain obliged, if any one can give the reference/send documents that states,
>>>non communal & secular Bangladesh was the basis of Bangladesh formation.
>>>4. Gratitude for your patience.
>>>Regards, Zaman
________________________________
>>>Major M. Ashrafuzzaman (Retd)
>>>Former Senior Assistant Editor, Bangladesh Defence Journal
>>>Residence: House #68/D (Ground Floor),Road #06
>>>Cantt Bazar Area, Dhaka Cantt
>>>Tel/Fax:00880 2 8713180(R)
>>>Mobile: 01678135526 (Personal)
>>>Season Services
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>>>E-Mail: sseasons@bol-
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>>>Web Address: www.seasonservices. com
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Rahul Barua
>>>>To: Moyeenul Alam
>>>>Cc: janomot@easynet.
co.uk ; jatrie@yahoo. com ; jayedmowla@gmail. com ;
>>>>prnm_5@yahoo. com ; khabor.usa@gmail. com ; khorshed72@gmail. com ; koyes.ahmed@
>>>>
gmail.com ; lokmanulislam1@
gmail.com ; ma.yusuf@hotmail. com ; mahmood.haq27@
>>>>
gmail.com ; majzaman@bol-
online.com ; st103ar@gmail. com ; md.a.sobhan@
>>>>
gmail.com ; mgsmibrahim@
yahoo.com ; rj_ruet@yahoo. com ; salbd2002@yahoo. com ;
>>>>prof.yunus@gmail. com ; pabna1@yahoo. com ; mhr2070@gmail. com ; szmislam@yahoo.
>>>>com ; alnayeem.nazat@
gmail.com ; nazrul7@yahoo. com ; n_editor@bangla. net ;
>>>>nishat28s@yahoo. com ; nizamkhan@qu.
edu.qa ; nur1990@gmail. com ;
>>>>notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com ; ofaruque@hotmail. com ; pothik010@yahoo.
>>>>com ; sharleensujit@
hotmail.com ; mislam@feng. unimas.my ; abid.bahar@gmail.
>>>>com ; rafiquebhuiyan@
gmail.com ; rashidhasan63@
yahoo.com ; rayhan@bbox. fr ;
>>>>rezwansiddiqui@
yahoo.com ; romancerhythm2000@
yahoo.com ; s_mehenaz@yahoo. com
>>>>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:52 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Published Jul 0410 NayaDiganta Hamla-Mamla- Mukhbajir- Shason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mr.Alam,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for ur comments. I think u r a journalist. So I can say as a journalist u
>>>>will be an honest person n ur all comments will be authentic, without any
>>>>twisting.
>>>>
>>>>You said that u deeply appriciate Mohabodhi Buddha. I ask u Who is Mohabodhi
>>>>Buddha? I am astonished to see this kind of work. I am happy to say it will be
>>>>Mohamanab Buddha.
>>>>
>>>>Again u said Buddha's core message is 'Buddhang saranang Gochhami, Dhammang
>>>>saranang gochchami, sanghang sarang gochchami'. Though many spelling are
>>>>incorrect I can request, u have to learn more about Buddhism to say what is core
>>>>message.
>>>>For your kind information some of the fundamentals of the teachings of Gautama
>>>>Buddha are:
>>>> * The Four Noble Truths: that suffering is an inherent part of existence; that
>>>>the origin of suffering is ignorance and the main symptoms of that ignorance are
>>>>attachment and craving; that attachment and craving can be ceased; and that
>>>>following the Noble Eightfold Path will lead to the cessation of attachment and
>>>>craving and therefore suffering.
>>>>
>>>> * The Noble Eightfold Path: right understanding, right thought, right speech,
>>>>right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right
>>>>concentration.
>>>>
>>>> * Dependent origination: that any phenomenon 'exists' only because of the
>>>>'existence' of other phenomena in a complex web of cause and effect covering
>>>>time past, present and future. Because all things are thus conditioned and
>>>>transient (anicca), they have no real independent identity (anatta).
>>>>
>>>> * Rejection of the infallibility of accepted scripture: Teachings should not be
>>>>accepted unless they are borne out by our experience and are praised by the
>>>>wise. See the Kalama Sutta for details.
>>>>
>>>> * Anicca (Sanskrit: anitya): That all things are impermanent.
>>>> * Dukkha (Sanskrit: duḥkha): That all beings suffer from all situations due to
>>>>unclear mind.
>>>>
>>>> * Anatta (Sanskrit: anātman): That the perception of a constant "self" is an
>>>>illusion.
>>>>
>>>>So giving wrong information is not journalism, it call yellow journalism. By the
>>>>by there is no relation to Trial against war criminal and Lord Buddha. If u
>>>>believe in ur own religion so why u afraid of trial if u don't occurred crime?
>>>>
>>>>It is a good step of govt to trial this type of criminal who killed thousand of
>>>>peoples, raped women and burnt houses by using state power n religion in 71?
>>>>
>>>>Pls stop to say lie n to write wrong information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 7/5/10, Moyeenul Alam <moyeenulalam@
hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Truth reveals itself. I deeply appreciate Mohabodhi Buddha's bani:
>>>>> Nahi verena verani--sammanti'dha kudacananam
>>>>> Averena ca sammanti--esa dhammo sanatano.
>>>>> And His core message:Buddhang saranang Gochhami, Dhammang saranang
>>>>>gochchami, sanghang sarang gochchami (I seek shelter of knowledge, I
>>>>>seek shelter of justice, I seek shelter of amity among communities) is ever
>>>>>inspiring to me.
>>>>> Sabbey Shukha hantu,
>>>>> Moyeenul Alam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 16:07:48 +0600
>>>>>Subject: Re: Published Jul 0410 NayaDiganta Hamla-Mamla- Mukhbajir- Shason
>>>>>From: baruaboss@gmail. com
>>>>>To: moyeenulalam@
hotmail.com>>>>>CC: janomot@easynet.
co.uk; jatrie@yahoo. com; jayedmowla@gmail. com;
>>>>>prnm_5@yahoo. com; khabor.usa@gmail. com; khorshed72@gmail. com; koyes.ahmed@
>>>>>
gmail.com; lokmanulislam1@
gmail.com; ma.yusuf@hotmail. com; mahmood.haq27@
>>>>>
gmail.com; majzaman@bol-
online.com; st103ar@gmail. com; md.a.sobhan@
gmail.com;
>>>>>mgsmibrahim@
yahoo.com; rj_ruet@yahoo. com; salbd2002@yahoo. com;
>>>>>prof.yunus@gmail. com; pabna1@yahoo. com; mhr2070@gmail. com; szmislam@yahoo.
>>>>>com; alnayeem.nazat@
gmail.com; nazrul7@yahoo. com; n_editor@bangla. net;
>>>>>nishat28s@yahoo. com; nizamkhan@qu.
edu.qa; nur1990@gmail. com;
>>>>>notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com; ofaruque@hotmail. com; pothik010@yahoo. com;
>>>>>sharleensujit@
hotmail.com; mislam@feng. unimas.my; abid.bahar@gmail. com;
>>>>>rafiquebhuiyan@
gmail.com; rashidhasan63@
yahoo.com; rayhan@bbox. fr;
>>>>>rezwansiddiqui@
yahoo.com; romancerhythm2000@
yahoo.com; s_mehenaz@yahoo. com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rajakarer buddhi nie desh shason korar dokar nai.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rahul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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