Please delete 's' at the end of 'deserves'
On 1/28/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
> No atheist ever wants to regimentalize his followers. Followers of
> any religion that propagates falsehood in the name of God deserves to
> be criticized. Their ultimate goal is not to win the favor of God.
> It is to capture political power, they have always done it. Mr.
> Chakravarty is no judge to decide what is to be criticized. If
> something cannot tolerate the limelight of analysis, it deserves to be
> forgotten or treated as unculture. Those who defend such types of
> 'faith' also should be proper education.
>
> On 1/26/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> My dad hurts my feelings by scolding me and Rushdie hurts Khomeini's
>> feelings by writing Satanic Verses. I am so so upset that I do not take
>> my
>> dinner. Khomeini is so upset that he promises $1million for an unknown
>> hitman who will kill Rushdie. I am helpless and dependent on my dad.
>> Khomeini holds the highest power in a near theocratic state and has the
>> power to do or undo any thing. I am childish and can't value my dad's
>> good
>> advice. Khomeini is full of himself and wants to judge art and literature
>> with his own "light". I am a trivial person. Khomeini is an
>> "establishment"
>> founded on religion. He perceives that his religion is is under threat
>> from
>> Rushdie's literary work. Perception is subjective---both Khomeini's and
>> mine. I have no followers, nobody supports me although my mom pulls me
>> closer to her with affection to eat dinner. Khomeini's huge following is
>> completely opposite.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
>> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read
>> Satanic Verses
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why critiquing a religion is so hard to bear for its believers.
>>
>> I know criticism of communism is forbidden in the communist countries. If
>> anybody does so, he will not be heard of again. Communism requires total
>> subjugation and control of the masses to make that system work. That
>> can't
>> be the reason behind prohibiting criticism of religion. Then again -
>> there
>> are civil laws prohibiting criticism of religion in many countries. So,
>> the
>> motive may be the same in both systems. In fact, these two systems may
>> be the flip-sides of a coin.
>>
>> More or less all religions demand total subjugation of their followers to
>> the God. In some followers even feel proud of calling themselves as
>> slaves
>> of God; slaves are not in a position to criticize the system. So, they
>> don't. But, not everybody is happy to assume this role. For those who do
>> not
>> want to be a slave - let them go free. God will deal with them. OK?
>>
>> Some people say criticism of a religion hurts the feelings of its
>> followers.
>> All criticisms hurt feeling. When my father scolded me in my childhood,
>> it
>> used to hurt my feeling; I used to question his love for me during that
>> transient period. When my teacher criticized me in front of my fellow
>> classmates, it used to hurt my feeling badly. You cannot go after the
>> person
>> just because he hurts your feeling. That's totally uncivil manner. Yes,
>> Rushdie and Taslima may have hurt feelings of the believer. So what?
>> Deal
>> with it, as you do with any other hurt-feelings. That's a mature and
>> civilized way to deal with it.
>>
>> Jiten Roy
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
>> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read
>> Satanic Verses
>>
>>
>>
>> What is 'middle-class concerns on women's issues'?
>>
>> Taslima Nasrin could be the culprit behind increasing 'hizabization' of
>> women in Bangladesh, what an absurd argument! I can understand that the
>> Jamati's would resist any movement that advocates women's rights. One way
>> to
>> suppress such movements would be to hizabize more women. If Bangladesh
>> fell
>> for that, it was because the country did not have enough educated people
>> to
>> advocate women's rights, not because the women's rights activists were
>> wrong
>> or imperfect in executing their movement.
>>
>> I do not think a truly secular person would downplay "Lajja" by branding
>> it
>> 'a badly written account of Hindu persecution in Bangladesh'. 'Badly
>> written' and 'badly executed' are the kind of excuses that are made by
>> people who do not wish to support the fight against the persecution in
>> question. It would also be pretty uneducated of anyone reading the book
>> (Lajja) and finding that the 'central message' was a cowardly whimper of
>> the
>> Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street prostitute as his climactic
>> act
>> of protest.
>>
>> I agree with Ms. Majid on one point. A Hindu should not criticize Islam
>> (or
>> any other non-Hindu religion), and a Muslim should not criticize Hinduism
>> (or any other non-Islamic religion). The religious fools need to see the
>> silliness in their own religions. To be a neutral critique of religions,
>> one
>> should promote himself/herself to a Human first. I do not identify myself
>> in
>> terms of any religion. However, I still avoid picking up a religious book
>> and trying to find faults in it. That is because it is obvious that a
>> thousand years back people were less civilized, and knew less. We can not
>> go
>> back in time to fix anything; it is better to focus on recent and current
>> hatred and injustices.
>>
>> Talking about Taslima Nasrin's successes with her narcissism, are we
>> feeling
>> bad that our own narcissism did not give us such successes? I think we
>> should control our personal attacks on people who are writing in this
>> forum
>> as well on people who are not writing in this forum.
>>
>> Sukhamaya Bain
>>
>> ****************************************************
>>
>> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
>> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 6:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] FW: Rushdie cancels visit, angry authors read
>> Satanic Verses
>>
>> Taslima was a good columnist. I used to be a fan, though i
>> often
>> found her to be a bit too confined to her middle-class concerns on
>> women's
>> issues. I supported her views when she blamed religious beliefs, customs
>> and
>> other superstitions for the plight of women in our society.
>>
>> But in 1993, when confronted by the fundamentalists, I was
>> shocked by the way she just chickened out. Her cowardice was visible in
>> her
>> body language (coy looks and min-min voice) and the stupidity of
>> repeating
>> over and over again the same dumb, unexamined Bangla translations of the
>> Qur'an and calling them "religion" was simply stupefying! How can anybody
>> be
>> so scared to lose
>> basic cultural sense, or an idea of what political game was being
>> played?
>> Her narcissism was then as now is too blatant.
>>
>> She did more harm to women's ongoing movements in Bangladesh
>> by
>> emboldening the Jamaati factions. Almost every woman activist I've met in
>> the field says so. Today there are more hijabized women in BD than they
>> were
>> in 1993 and Taslima's fiasco in 1993 is partly to blame.
>>
>> As an old communalism combatant I can tell you that Taslima
>> is
>> just another rotten piece of wooden chip in the fire of communalism. I
>> work
>> with a team of communalism combatants and none of us singles out a
>> particular religion and attacks it indiscriminately. Even the die-hard
>> atheists and religion-haters amongst us has learned (the hard way) not to
>> pick on "religion" as the root cause of communalism
>> despite the fact that religion is the main vehicle of their
>> hate-mongering
>> machine.
>>
>> Her novelette 'Lajja' is a badly written account of Hindu
>> persecution in Bangladesh in the sense that its central message is a
>> cowardly whimper (the Hindu hero managing to slap a Muslim street
>> prostitute
>> as his climactic act of protest!). Had Taslima really cared about
>> humanity
>> the message could have been bolder in that novel, and more politically or
>> even artistically meaningful in sensitizing us about the root causes of
>> communalism.
>>
>> Just as I, a Muslim, would not go on and on about the flaw in
>> Hinduism regarding its caste system, my Hindu or Christian team-mates are
>> discouraged from talking about 'jehadism' as a part of Islam and as if
>> every
>> ordinary Indian or Bangladeshi Muslim lives by
>> it.
>>
>> Combating communalism and religious fundamentalism is not as
>> easy as it seems superficially. It is a rough ride and it gets rougher
>> the
>> more deeply you get involved. It requires a thorough knowledge and
>> understanding of our subcontinental history and culture.
>>
>> Taslima has done well with her narcissism, and I applaud
>> her.
>> But please do not call her a "champion" on women's issues or a sincere
>> anti-communal activist. She is a sneaky, manipulative coward, the
>> opposite
>> of 'brave'.
>>
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