None likes to be tricked. As I said earlier strict measures should be taken against anyone who deliberately hurt religious feeling of any faith communities. By the way it is a sin as per Islam as well. I have been making the point that, average Bengali Muslims are not aware of their own responsibilities. Thus Islam is NOT the problem rather lack of knowledge about Islam is the problem.
Every faith groups should be respected and everyone who are willing to live peacefully should be protected as per Islam.
Shalom!
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Re: [mukto-mona] সনাতনধর্মাবলম্বীদেরগো-মাংস সরবরাহকারীদেরবিরুদ্ধেব্যবস্থা নিন
Member Roy,
-----Original Message-----
The question is not that some Hindus eat beef or some Muslims eat pork, it is about whether you should trick or force someone to eat something to he/she does not want to eat. If you eat forbidden fruit willingly, good for you. It's your buisiness. But, if Hindus are fed beef without their knowledge, it's a criminal act. Dr. K. Das has raised an interesting point. If you turn the table, you do the math about what could happen to you.
Jiten Roy
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
I am used to taking both beef and pork. The basic point is that if I poured a bowl of pork soup on the plate of any of my Muslim friend, I would probably need the security afforded to Salman Rushdie earlier. By the way, during my stay in U. S. A., the only Hindu I met who did not eat beef came from a remote village. I, for one, don't see any ban in Hindu scripture against eating beef; yet I demand better manners from my Muslim friends than force feeding people something they detest.
2012/1/8 subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Taking revenge, making fun, feat of communalism, sense of majority, sense of superiority, etc. can be explaining factors. Many of them may not be communal acts at all. A professor (a hindu from West Bengal) invited his Ph.D student (a hindu from Bangladesh) for dinner and served him and his family beef. He even did not disclose that it was beef. Bangladeshi hindus are probably less open to "forbidden" foods than the WB hindus. The professor did not care. My atheist muslim friend made his newly married wife eat pork without letting her know that she was eating pork. For the last ten years or so, they are still happily married. In a social gathering when one hindu friend opined (probably jokingly) that onion and beef are equivalent and hence are forbidden, one doctor (orginally from Bangladesh) practcing in America said with strong conviction, "There is no difference between beef and mutton, although ethically it may be wrong to eat either meat." Beef eating hindus sometimes are found to encourage their religious or prejudiced hindu friends to eat beef by saying jokingly, "Come on, you will not lose your hinduism just by eating a burger!"
None of the examples given above involves any kind of hatred (rather their aims were enlightenement), although the the perpetrators may want go to court.
But the news item published in the Ittefaq is exceptional. It was a grave crime and the criminals must be brought to justice. Motives were probably hatred, communalism, and sense of majority.
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 8:14 PM
I have faced similar situations many times. Devout Muslim friends poured a bowl of beef curry on my plate, their eyes glared like incandescent torches. Muslims of such manners are indeed to be pitied. I would blame their religious leaders for such manners.
2012/1/6 Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
I am trying to understand the psychology behind such acts. I have seen people who eat meat, but not fish. I have seen people who eat fish, but no meat. Why would someone trick you to eat something that you don't want to eat? What do they gain from these ats?
I have so many personal experiences of such actions. My first encounter was right after my marriage. My wife just came to Dhaka. One of my very close friends invited us during the Eid. We arrived on time. Food was served. Right before eating, my wife inquired about the meat-curry. They told us that - it was beef. Unfortunately, they had nothing else, except 'Dal (lentil soup).' So, we had to contend ourselves with the Dal-Bhat. Now, the question is - how could they be so sure that we will eat beef? What if we started eating and then inquired about the meat. I have no answers till today.
Next, I went to another Muslim friend's house in the USA during another Eid. My entire family was with me. There was a beef-curry on the table. This time, the difference was that - they told us what it was. The problem was - now, we had to decide if we would take it or not; it's an undue pressure, knowing that they were watching us as we were picking items from the table. I understand they like beef, but shouldn't you cook something that your guests might enjoy? I keep wondering.
Another incident occurred in a function at a Hindu temple here in the USA. Host ordered goat meat from a restaurant, owned by a Muslim. Instead of goat-curry, they served mixed beef and goat curry. Later on, they revealed that beef was served in that Hindu temple on such and such occasion. They were so proud of their deed that they could not contain the secrecy.
I have too many experiences like these. Therefore, I cannot brush these incidents off as some rare incidents. I think they are much too common.
If I invite a Muslim family at my house, I will never dream of keeping a pork or tortoise dish in the menu. Such act is a sin in my book. Is that so in Islam? If it is – how could so many people still do it?
I tend to believe that – Dr. Kamal Das may be right. This is driven by the religious belief that certain acts bring regious credits. It may be a corollary belief to that of getting credits for converting a non-Muslim. As you know - it is believed in that part of the world that - a Hindu can get converted to Islam simply by eating beef. Therefore, if you can feed beef to a Hindu somehow, you have cracked his Hindu faith. You should get some credit for that. Is this the logic behind the incentive for these acts?
People who think food is something that could change one's religious belief are the stupidest people on the face of the earth. It is quite sad how religion has destroyed normal thinking process of billions of highly educated/uneducated people. Religion has seized their normal thought processes; it's insanity. If they had the power to think normally, they could easily find out how stupid their reasoning is. I feel pity for these people.
Jiten Roy
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Many Muslims feel a thousand steps nearer to paradise when they can feed beef to their Hindu friends, though the ancient Hindu seers regularly ate it.
2012/1/5 Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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