Mr. Rahman is totally ignorant of history as usual.
not exactly an example of a well educated person, he should be the last one talking about education to anyone.
Such comments can be made only by imbeciles, after over forty years of career as a teacher, should I be treated as the last one talking about education...?
Mr. Rahman is lucky that he is not within the reach of my students. They could have flayed him alive. Isn't it well recorded that Muslims turned there back towards western education. Even the Islamic education centers were run by the Hindus. Who, by the way, translated the Holy Quran first? Was it a Muslim?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries.
Member Bain,
You may want to read my post before you like to reply. It seems you are trying to have a "Creative interpretation" of what I said. Kindly READ the post first. On the discussion starting with Dhaka University, I said our forefathers felt Pakistan was needed. I was NOT there, so it is impossible to "Support" or "Oppose" such a concept.
As I said, I ONLY shared an observation. The Pakistan movement was popular and had enough support to get attention from the policy makers. It did not work out for us and looking as an outsider still not working for most Pakistanis either. But that is HISTORY!!
Discrimination has been an unfortunate part of our collective history and Hindus and Muslims have done some of it in the past. I never even tried to deny reality but if you ever try to sell me that, ONLY Hindus were discriminated and Muslims were only torturing them, I have to say it is not an honest narrative.
He was essentially saying that it was OK for displacing the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.
>>>>>>> Where did I say such a thing??
If you keep Assuming the worst things in others, maybe it is time for you to look in the mirror. :-)
>>>>>>>Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University
>>>>>>>> My "Request" to you would be to read the posts before you reply. I did not promote "Sprouting" madrassas RATHER I spoke about modernizing/improving them. Give them authentic quality education so people who come out of it will promote peace and be more tolerant. I have a feeling despite what you wrote here, you would not mind promoting tolerance and peace in BD.I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.
The only difference with our views is I do not see madrassahs as "wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity" and you do. If I was busy finding faults in others, it is not too difficult to have very long posts about How Muslims and Bhuddists were abused by Hindus over the centuries. But these sort of things don't bring people closer. I make a humble effort to promote more understanding about my faith and try to support "Common grounds" among all of us.
Science and technology have their places and religion have it's own space. In my world they compliment each others and there is no conflict.
Wish you have a nice day.
Shalom!!
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
Sorry, I do not wish to name that person in the public forums without his permission; and since I am not in touch with him, I can not get the permission readily.=================================From: Mahbub Kamal <mahbubk2002@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 8:31 AM
Not surprisingly, people who make this accusation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore did not answer my questions.Q. A. Rahman has addressed some of the questions, with a declaration that he does not consider himself as an accuser. However, his answers and analyses were either plain wrong or typical of the two-nation theorist imbeciles.Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University during its early years.Now let me make some comprehensive points.Pakistan or not, if Hindus did not face the kind of discrimination, hatred, and barbaric atrocities that they did in East Bengal since 1947, if they did not leave East Bengal, the academic circle of any Bangladeshi university that would be worth calling "the Oxford of the East" would be dominated by Hindus over the Muslims even today. Let me give a few examples: 1) in my B. Sc. Honors class at the Dhaka University Chemistry Department, graduating in 1980, four students got the first class, and two of them were Hindus, 2) two years before us no one got the first class in Chemistry honors program from the university proper; only one student, a Hindu, got the first class from BM College in Barishal, 3) in our honors batch, the most distinguished scholar in the Science Faculty (the Kalinarayan Scholar) was a Hindu student from Physics. These are in spite of all the migration of mostly the elite class of Hindus from East Bengal beginning in 1947. The most sudden drop in the quality of Dhaka University was probably in 1947, when Hindu professors left en masse for India, and their void filled with unqualified and poorly qualified Muslims.Of course, Pakistan was not in the horizon in 1921. Thus, the establishment of Dhaka University in reality had nothing to do with higher education for the Muslims; because the Muslims were not expected to be the principal components of the university. People who suggest that Rabindranath Tagore opposed the establishment of Dhaka University because he was anti-Muslim have a hateful objective of dissociating the greatest Bangalee poet from Bangladesh.Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries. He was essentially saying that it was OK for displacing the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.No, Muslims had to get themselves interested in real education in order to break the Hindu domination. Hatred can give a short-term gain, which Pakistan did for the Muslims. But look, for example, the elite of Bangladeshi Muslims who have a significant health problem go to India for treatment. Aren't those Hindu doctors in India saving the elite Muslims of Bangladesh?Talking in terms of political domination, I do not think the Muslims needed Pakistan. Without Pakistan, Muslims would be dominating all of Bengal today; because democracy was inevitable, and because to be a voter one does not need to be very scholarly or rich. Of course, if that political domination was combined with the wisdom of promoting education, Muslims would have had their fair share of power in all respects in due course without the help of hatred.I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.Sukhamaya Bain======================================================From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
I have seen this allegation in the Bangladesh-centric internet forums over a period of many years. There seems to be a new generation of accusers lately. Instead of making any suggestion about why some people make this allegation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore, let me just ask a few questions.When Dhaka University was formed in 1921, was there any plan anywhere for the creation of Pakistan in 1947?There are several highly prestigious universities in the USA which are located at or near high black population areas. For example, the University of Chicago and Columbia University in New York City. How many percents of the professors and students of these universities are black?From 1921 to 1947 which religious group had more professors and students at Dhaka University, Muslims or Hindus?If there was no Pakistan, or if there was no displacement of Hindus from East Bengal due to the creation of Pakistan in 1947, which religious group would be dominating the academic circle of Dhaka University today, Muslims or Hindus?In the world, there are about 1.4 billion Muslims among the total population of about 7.0 billion. What are the comparisons between the Muslims and the other religious groups in terms of world-renowned scholars (an indication would be the Nobel Prize winners in all subjects but peace)?What is keeping the Muslims backward compared to all other significant religious groups?Let me wait for some fact-based and honest answers to the above six questions, and some intelligent amalgamations of those answers, preferably from the accusers, before I comment on the subject.Sukhamaya Bain====================================![Yahoo! Groups]()
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