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Thursday, June 7, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University



Indeed, corruption is an intractable problem in Bangladesh. The country is really badly in need of a good dictator, or a team of good dictators, who would show no mercy to corruption. Of course, that dictator or group of dictators has to be honest.
 
Teachers not teaching in the classroom to force students to go to them for private tutoring is an ultimate form of corruption in a society. I am not proposing to prohibit private tutoring for the teachers. But they should teach sincerely in the classroom first, so that the children of the poor have a chance to get educated. The system should fire teachers who are absent from the classroom, and who do not teach in the classroom. If teachers are corrupt in a society, what can be expected of their students and of the society in general?
 
Of all segments of the society, teachers should be most rational, and least prone to prejudices based upon religions, ethnicities, sexes, regionalities, etc.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
 

>>>>>>>> Agreed. Today minorities are not targeted like that. However another form of discrimination is taking place in most government run institutions. That is which political party a student belongs to. In Dhaka university teachers openly support political parties and run for offices. Student politics used to be a moral force in our history but today that has been hijacked by extortionists, looters and arrogant low lives in most parts.

So in order to get good grade students have to do more than just study hard but they have to be "Nice" to their department chair and other teachers and support them in unethical practices (Like most teachers teaches at private universities beside public ones, Few fundamental research or papers etc).

Then you have political gangs hijacking the campus from genuine students. So good students do not feel motivated to aim to get selected in Dhaka University anymore. They want to either study in private universities or go abroad. Our country and people in it becomes the loser in the process.



I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!

>>>>>>>> Teachers live in this country and the ecosystem discourages us to follow laws or staying honest. The system most of the time goes against honest people or people who want to live a "Value based life". Not only a poor man face greater difficulty in current system even honest middle class people are shunned by the society in most parts. Private tutors are not the primary concern rather the rampant corruptions and how corrupt people gets away with it are bad examples in front of young men and women in our country. I mentioned this before but it's worth repeating. We have to work hard to establish rule of laws and capable institutions to protect people from being oppressed. Regardless of faith background majority population suffers from current system. This is not a statement against current political leaders rather an observation of how our colonial systems sucks positive energy out of us. All major political parties participate in it and nurture it. Shalom!
 
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-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 5:30 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
 
If M. H. Khundkar was actually 'against producing chemists for India', as Mr. Chakrabarty has phrased, I would not call that 'a great nationalist' even with a 'but ….'. I would not even ask, 'why did he take Hindu students at all?'
 
Of course, the phrase, 'against producing chemists for India', was really to mean "against producing Hindu chemists." As I wrote earlier, Khundkar should have known better; he should have known why the Hindus migrated to India; he should have known, acknowledged, and tried to mitigate the persecution that was going on against religious minorities in Pakistan. He had no right to deny any competent Hindu student of the country admission to the department, nor did he have the right to give undue grades based upon anyone's religious identity.
 
Unlike Mr. Chakrabarty, I would not overly praise Khundkar for an isolated decent human gesture. You support a hateful system, and then provide an isolated gesture of compassion; that does not earn much praise in my book. Khundkar was like a VVIP in Pakistan with no expressed support for Bangladesh that I am aware of. He was probably important enough to the pro-Pakistan thinkers. Thus, I doubt if he was a target of the Pakistani military, or if anyone was likely to probe into who was hiding in his house. I still would probably praise him mildly for saving an innocent human being in a most dreadful environment. I am also willing to learn, if I do not know enough, about his position toward the independence of Bangladesh.
 
'Inspiring and wonderful' to giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student; really! If we were to take unfair grading based upon prejudices as normal professorial behavior, then giving a First Class First position to a Hindu student would be 'inspiring and wonderful'. Is unfair grading based upon prejudices Mr. Chakrabarty's standard?
 
The First Class First position was not anyone's personal property to give away. A decent professor does not 'give grades', he/she grades all his/her students fairly. I would not praise any professor for 'giving grades'.
 
I share the frustration of Mr. Deeldar. I feel particularly frustrated about Bangladesh because of the recent trend of school teachers not teaching sincerely in the classroom. I feel so bad when a poor illiterate man from my village tells me that educating his children without private tutors is almost impossible!
 
I also agree with Dr. Roy and Mr. Deeldar on the points of brain drain and mediocrity breeding mediocrity.
 
Sukhamaya Bain
 
 
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