Despite the label, Pakistan is not influenced by teachings of Islam. It is a absolute bad mix of a lot of things. However if you deal people in personal level, I have found many nice people along with many arrogant idiots among them. I think today Pakistanis are suffering badly for lack of democratic institutions in that country. It will take a while before they come out of it.
As a general statement Bangladesh has a more tolerant environment than Pakistan and many parts of India (Despite many flaws in it). We have some "Trust deficit" among communities and only more open discussions and learning about each other can remove years of misunderstanding and trust deficit.
Shalom!
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Most people of Pakistani origin I came across in my life were respectful of their Hindu ancestry. However, the story is different with Bengali Muslims. They think, their ancestors came from some place in the Arabian land.
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Re: [mukto-mona] The allegation of opposition to the establishment of Dhaka University
Talking about Arabian ancestry, I think Bengali Muslims overall are too irrational when it comes to the looks, sounds and smells of their religion; but I doubt if they are worse than the Pakistani Muslims. Of course, there are exceptions to the overall picture.
>>>>>>>>>> Actually most Bengali Muslims do not have enough knowledge of the religion. So other people (Muslims, Hindu, Tribal people etc) suffers for this lacking. Islam gives us a complete code of life and it gave room for people from other faiths. However our "Culture bound" Muslims forget how prophet Muhammad (PBUH) pledged to protect Idol worshipers, Jews etc in Media. His letter to Christian community shows his idea of fair dealing with Christian community as well.
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While I salute Dr. Das for his successful fight against a wrong trend, I must say that during my student life at Dhaka University Chemistry Department (1975-1981), an overwhelming majority of my professors were non-communal decent human beings of the Muslim background. In fact, I consider quite a few of them as the best teachers of my life. The clear concepts that I got from them made me increasingly interested in Chemistry. Most of the ones that I got a chance to mix with at a personal level were helpful and understanding.
Unlike Dr. Das, I actually doubt if the Pakistani Muslims had more respect for their Hindu ancestry than the Bengali Muslims. The state of Pakistan during its entire lifetime (1947 to date) does not support what Dr. Das felt. I think one needs to mix intimately with people, while asserting his/her rights, to know their real character.
Talking about Arabian ancestry, I think Bengali Muslims overall are too irrational when it comes to the looks, sounds and smells of their religion; but I doubt if they are worse than the Pakistani Muslims. Of course, there are exceptions to the overall picture.
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Chemistry Department stopped awarding first class to any student bearing Hindu name since the 1965 war between India and Pakistan, the tradition continued till I changed it four years later. Most of my classmates agreed that I changed it by fighting the whole Department.
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not surprisingly, people who make this accusation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore did not answer my questions.
Q. A. Rahman has addressed some of the questions, with a declaration that he does not consider himself as an accuser. However, his answers and analyses were either plain wrong or typical of the two-nation theorist imbeciles.
Dr. Kamal Das has also made some comments. He reasoned that Muslims were not up to education, and were not expected to have a large share of teachers and students at Dhaka University during its early years.
Now let me make some comprehensive points.
Pakistan or not, if Hindus did not face the kind of discrimination, hatred, and barbaric atrocities that they did in East Bengal since 1947, if they did not leave East Bengal, the academic circle of any Bangladeshi university that would be worth calling "the Oxford of the East" would be dominated by Hindus over the Muslims even today. Let me give a few examples: 1) in my B. Sc. Honors class at the Dhaka University Chemistry Department, graduating in 1980, four students got the first class, and two of them were Hindus, 2) two years before us no one got the first class in Chemistry honors program from the university proper; only one student, a Hindu, got the first class from BM College in Barishal, 3) in our honors batch, the most distinguished scholar in the Science Faculty (the Kalinarayan Scholar) was a Hindu student from Physics. These are in spite of all the migration of mostly the elite class of Hindus from East Bengal beginning in 1947. The most sudden drop in the quality of Dhaka University was probably in 1947, when Hindu professors left en masse for India, and their void filled with unqualified and poorly qualified Muslims.
Of course, Pakistan was not in the horizon in 1921. Thus, the establishment of Dhaka University in reality had nothing to do with higher education for the Muslims; because the Muslims were not expected to be the principal components of the university. People who suggest that Rabindranath Tagore opposed the establishment of Dhaka University because he was anti-Muslim have a hateful objective of dissociating the greatest Bangalee poet from Bangladesh.
Now let me address a side point made by Q. A. Rahman. His point was that Pakistan was needed for breaking the Hindu domination in East Bengal. His argument was utterly foolish and hateful when he was indifferent to the fact of the migration of Hindus due to discrimination, hatred and barbaric atrocities in their home of centuries. He was essentially saying that it was OK for displacing the Hindus for giving the Muslims some privilege.
No, Muslims had to get themselves interested in real education in order to break the Hindu domination. Hatred can give a short-term gain, which Pakistan did for the Muslims. But look, for example, the elite of Bangladeshi Muslims who have a significant health problem go to India for treatment. Aren't those Hindu doctors in India saving the elite Muslims of Bangladesh?
Talking in terms of political domination, I do not think the Muslims needed Pakistan. Without Pakistan, Muslims would be dominating all of Bengal today; because democracy was inevitable, and because to be a voter one does not need to be very scholarly or rich. Of course, if that political domination was combined with the wisdom of promoting education, Muslims would have had their fair share of power in all respects in due course without the help of hatred.
I would advise people like Mr. Rahman to wake up for progress for all people, especially for the Muslims. Sprouting madrasahs in Bangladesh like wild mushrooms in dirty soil, and promoting hateful religious stupidity will not help the Muslims; real education in humanities, science and technology will.
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
I have seen this allegation in the Bangladesh-centric internet forums over a period of many years. There seems to be a new generation of accusers lately. Instead of making any suggestion about why some people make this allegation against people like Ashutosh Mukherjee or Rabindranath Tagore, let me just ask a few questions.
When Dhaka University was formed in 1921, was there any plan anywhere for the creation of Pakistan in 1947?
There are several highly prestigious universities in the USA which are located at or near high black population areas. For example, the University of Chicago and Columbia University in New York City. How many percents of the professors and students of these universities are black?
From 1921 to 1947 which religious group had more professors and students at Dhaka University, Muslims or Hindus?
If there was no Pakistan, or if there was no displacement of Hindus from East Bengal due to the creation of Pakistan in 1947, which religious group would be dominating the academic circle of Dhaka University today, Muslims or Hindus?
In the world, there are about 1.4 billion Muslims among the total population of about 7.0 billion. What are the comparisons between the Muslims and the other religious groups in terms of world-renowned scholars (an indication would be the Nobel Prize winners in all subjects but peace)?
What is keeping the Muslims backward compared to all other significant religious groups?
Let me wait for some fact-based and honest answers to the above six questions, and some intelligent amalgamations of those answers, preferably from the accusers, before I comment on the subject.
Sukhamaya Bain
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