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Monday, October 8, 2012

Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb



"Shah Deeldar is totally ignorant about "blasphemy laws", its history in the Pakistani context,  or what is being talked about in the context of Egypt."

Wake up dear! You are truly hilarious. Where did I lecture about blasphemy laws? Am I totally ignorant about blasphemy laws? Please show me one of my ignorant quotes! Thank you.
-SD

 
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS

From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb

 
   I smell it, and hear it!  I think we have another pseudonymous stinky creepy buzzing around our ears!  Ain't cyberspace great? This Mita Ali is as fake as a cheap imitation fur coat.

      Shah Deeldar is totally ignorant about "blasphemy laws", its history in the Pakistani context,  or what is being talked about in the context of Egypt.  Poor Governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer, a liberal, modern man, who was brought up in the household of his 'khalu', the famous poet Faiz Ahmed Faiz, was brutally murdered by his bodyguard for opposing the disgusting blasphemy laws in Pakistan installed by the infamous General Zia-ul-Huq. The murderer was greeted by a large crowd and showered by rose-petals. I saw that unbelievable scene on TV!

 Bangladesh does NOT have a blasphemy law in the books. Islami-pasand lawyers try to push it through the back-door by invoking the Indian Penal Code's "hurting the religious sentiment" Act.

             Jiten Roy is wrong and out of date when he says: Fact is – these radical Islamists are not smart people; they cannot think straight. Violence is their only trade.
                 Islamists are very smart people.  They are outsmarting everyone. Violence (especially against minority communities) is used occasionally, strategically only to create mayhem and divert attention.  They are proving to be financial wizards and great social engineers (whose evil designs target the unsuspecting Muslims, not non-Muslims).  Madrassahs and Islamic Banks and hundreds of other commercial enterprises are not 'violent' activities, but are deadly in terms of eroding our bedrock of secularism.

                    Farida Majid


To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: jnrsr53@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 12:27:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb

 
You are wrong again. You can write about Islam here, but you need to be prepared for criticisms also. If you are a regular reader of this forum, you have noticed Q. Rahman writes about Islam all the time.
In your last remarks, you replied to my comments about blasphemy law in Egypt. In your response - you have parroted some phrases and slogans about Islam, which were totally out of context, and had no relevance to the topic.  When I read your comments, it appeared to me that your goal was to preach Islam instead of responding to my comments. As a result, I asked you to explain what you were talking about. Read Mr.  Rahman's comments and try to understand what we were talking about. We were not talking about Islam at all. In fact, we were talking about radical Islamist, not Muslims. There is a gulf of difference between these two groups. Please try to understand the difference first. Let me remind you again – when you bring Islam into discussion, expect some criticism to follow; please do not take them as Islam bashing.
I do not want you to stop writing, just bring some relevant discussions on the topic so that we can advance the thought. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Looking forward to reading your comments in the future.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Mita Ali <mitaali90@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mita Ali <mitaali90@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 1:57 PM

 
Whenever someone writes in for of Islam for the sake of neutrality, the 'free-thinkers' start leveling her as "Protikriasheel" (reactionary), Shamprodayik (communal), Moulobadee (fundamentalist) etc.

Islam-bashing is considered as a favorite game for a lot of 'intellectuals'. After the fall of communism, Islam is probably the only alternative force and global forum who could speak against 'development' phases of Bretton Wood monsters (e.g. World Bank). Since I was brutally attacked by Mr Jiten Roy and Mr Shah Deeldar, I have decided not to write any more.

Can anybody give me any idea where free-thinkers of Islamic scientists and intellectuals can continue being meaningful and make a forum towards a just world? I will be grateful with a hope to be able to breathe neutrally.

Peace.

Mita Ali

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 4:00 PM

 
Mr. Rahman gets it, but radical Islamists don't.  Violence is never a winning political strategy in a free country; if that was – Jamat would have secured the majority-party status in Bangladesh by now. Jamat has been engaged in violence ever since Pakistan was created. Look at where they are today. Fact is – these radical Islamists are not smart people; they cannot think straight. Violence is their only trade. They give impression of being religious outside, but - inside is filled with tremendous hatred, which drives them to violence in every excuse they can find. If you noticed, most violence starts after Friday-prayers, meaning – whatever religion they seem to be following is not quelling their hatred, it's just transforming their hatred into thousand fold. The whole thing is plain ridiculous. Yet, they can't figure it out. Jamat is engulfed in international conspiracy; they are just pawn. I have an impression that Mr. Hannan Shah does get it also, but – the situation is beyond his control.
Jiten Roy
 

--- On Mon, 10/8/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 11:13 AM

 
Violence is a tool to push forward the agenda of the political religions. Neither Rahman nor Roy has this in his agenda. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:22 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
Why can't they let God take care of those who insult their religion?


>>>>>>>> I think you asked a valid question. As per my observation, I feel God does not depend on our "Protest". Therefore, we can make peaceful protests to make our point. Sadly not only about religion, most of our "Protests" becomes violent frequently.

I think we the people forget that, we are not colonized anymore. We don't win anything when we burn a public bus or destroy someone's private car out of rage. Specifically Islam promotes free market and respect for people's properties. So Muslims who have some basic understanding of Islam should NEVER resort to violence so easily.

I remember, when the Danish cartoons were published (About Islam), people resorted to violence and gained NOTHING by being violent. However some Gulf countries decided to do something about it peacefully. After making request to stop such lies against the religious figure, they gained nothing. After that, they stopped buying products from Denmark. Interestingly Denmark is dependent on fast growing middle eastern market for their dairy industry. Soon after money stopped flowing from Muslim customers, Denmark quietly took care of it.

I think peaceful protests should be encouraged but violence does nothing for our causes. Sooner we realize it, it will be better for all of us.


Shalom!




-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 7, 2012 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb

 

I do not understand how a strict blasphemy law can be good news for Egypt. It tells a lot about the people and the status of a country when you see 8/9 year old kids go to jail for insulting Islam. I know Morsi is releasing them, but – the story makes you wonder about where those people are. Do they need to take every little insult that seriously? I wonder if there is anything called the childhood innocence in those societies. I bet – lives of those kids will be in danger after their release. Their childhood freedom is gone forever.
I remember, a few years back, when Hindus were not happy to see pictures of Gods and Goddesses on the foot wares and napkins, they protested to the makers of those commodities and called for boycott of those companies. That's about it. Why can't we get that type of response from the radical Islamists? Why can't they let God take care of those who insult their religion? I am sure millions of people are asking these questions. I believe - the path Islamists take to vent their anger may insult God and religion much more than any one individual could ever do.
 
Jiten Roy
 
--- On Sat, 10/6/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt - Ikhwanweb
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "<Criterion-The-Illuminator@yahoogroups.com>" <Criterion-The-Illuminator@yahoogroups.com>, "<DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com>" <DallasPakistanis@yahoogroups.com>, "<kr@ips.net.pk>" <kr@ips.net.pk>, "<khabor@yahoogroups.com>" <khabor@yahoogroups.com>, "<mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>, "<dahuk@yahoogroups.com>" <dahuk@yahoogroups.com>, "<sahannan@yahoogroups.com>" <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>, "<azizbiit@gmail.com>" <azizbiit@gmail.com>, "Mir Ahmad" <mirahmad01@hotmail.com>, "<eliasfaridpur@yahoo.com>" <eliasfaridpur@yahoo.com>, "<su_maiya1@yahoo.com>" <su_maiya1@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 9:47 PM

 
Good news. With pressure from the fundamentalist groups Egypt will probably consider having a strict form of blasphemy law. Badruddin Umar has indicated that Ramu violence may be a conspiracy to have blasphemy law in Bangladesh 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, "S A Hannan" <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> wrote:

 
 

Morsi Orders Release of Christian Boys Held for Desecrating Holy Quran in Egypt
Two Egyptian Coptic boys are freed from juvenile detention, at President Morsi's instructions, as contempt-of-religion cases seem to rise across the country.
 
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