Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

I remember AL and Jamat were giving programs separately and simultaneously. I don't know if there was a written or verbal agreement. I think in order to gain acceptance from people Jamat was simply copying AL. It was a win-win game. AL got back power. Jamat established itself as a genuine democratic party. AL never formed coalition with Jamat which BNP did. Trial is symbolical. Hope it will be successful. Jamat is spending money to stop it and BNP is trying to sabotage it. If you have respect for 1972 constitution you should support cancellation of Jamat registration. 

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On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:56 AM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

BAL had a strategic alliance with Jamat does not wash away the crimes Jamati leaders have committed in 1971.

>>>>>>>>> I have been given this "Strategic" answer before and sounded a little lame to me. That alliance did not wash away any crimes BUT it tainted BAL in the process. Therefore, that tainted past made it easy for BNP to form another "Strategic alliance" today.

I could not care less about any specific party but I do care about state of democracy in our country. If level playing field is offered to Jammat or other opposition parties the SAME idea will protect BAL from any future persecutions by other parties.

It is actually a very simple idea.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 8:06 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

 

I do not care what BAL or BNP says or does and how they look at the trial of the war criminals. It does not matter with what politics Mujib started. He gave us a best constitution which means he went far away from religion-based politics. What do you think about Jamat? BAL had a strategic alliance with Jamat does not wash away the crimes Jamati leaders have committed in 1971. If we have respect for Nuremberg Trial, we also should have respect for the trial of war criminals (I think they call it crimes against humanity) that is underway.  

If you think about our 1972 constitution and the political philosophy of Jamat, you should agree that Jamat is not entitled to the level ground you are referring too.   

From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

 

"If evidences are credible against Jamat.... they should be punished". This "if" statement is really surprising. Does this mean that Mr. Rahman is not aware of the role of Jamat in 1971? Does he have any doubt that the Jamat leaders under trial may be innocent?

>>>>>>>>> This was a generalized statement for ALL parties. As I said I am for level playing field for all people. There are some jamaat leaders under trial. The REAL question is why it is taking the government prosecutors to establish their case?


There are couple of characters the whole nation knows about and why it seems it is taking forever for them to formulate a case against known criminals? Even more important question is why this party was able to establish alliences with BAL during 90's?


I am not connected with political parties but the parties themselves allows these "If"s to come up. General population know what was done to this nation in different times?  As I stated earlier, over many decades I never considered Jammat a major political character in Bangladesh. However it is the current administration who is making them VERY popular to general population. There are many cases ongoing against Jammat leaders. Let the judicial system work without getting any interruptions. If the court is allowed to work interdependently, I am sure criminals can sorted out and punished.

Those people who worked as agents of invading army, participated in looting, rape, murders should be punished.


I really do not care much which party has given shelter to these CRIMINALS. Naturally criminals should be punished for their deeds.

The article said that Jamat is not like Muslim League.  >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Even Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was an active member of the then Muslim league during 40's. The original name of BAL was  "Awami Muslim League".


As I said earlier, if canceling registration of Jamaat solves major issues of Bangladesh, by all means we should go for it. To me our country comes first!!

However unlike many member in this forum, I do NOT see religion as any problem. In fact, I strongly feel authentic teachings of religion can solve our issues.

Also, BNP made it clear that, they are not wanting to save "War criminals". I think it is the right approach and they should stick to issue that concerns citizens of Bangladesh.

Truth be told, Jamaat has been a "Partner" to both BAL and BNP. So I don't anyone(BNP/BAL) can make any credible argument about "Moral" ground here. So we should stick to hunting "War criminals" and keep petty politics out of it. This issue is way more important than who wins the next election.

Shalom!

-----Original Message----- From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 12:00 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Civil Society if favour of banning Jamaat-Shibir's terroristic politics !!--The left and secular elements always wanted banning Jamaat

 

"If evidences are credible against Jamat.... they should be punished". This "if" statement is really surprising. Does this mean that Mr. Rahman is not aware of the role of Jamat in 1971? Does he have any doubt that the Jamat leaders under trial may be innocent? Does he not know about the agenda of Jamat to discriminate against other religions and against other sects within Islam? Is he not aware of the fact that the original 1972 constitution does not allow registration if religion based political party? I read an article many decades ago (nearly 40 years) probably written by Amal Sen. The article said that Jamat is not like Muslim League. Jamat is an ideology. It has agenda that has goes beyond a limited time and space. It wear