You might also noticed that, I call Nationalist party (BNP) and Awami League (BAL). One stands for Bangladesh Nationalist party and the other stands for Bangladesh Awami League. If there is "Bias" in it, I'll encourage members of this forum to sort it out.
By the way, can you come up with something other than "Personal attacks"? Anything original (Not copy and paste crap)?
Have a good day.
Shalom!
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:32 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Supporting Awami League or BNP/Jamat in the current environment
>>>>>>>>>> As I said, you are welcome to support any party. If BAL is your party of choice, I am fine with it. Unfortunately I do not see any fundamental differences between our large parties, so I cannot even suggest you any "Moral option" (As far as conventional politics is concern). My only request to you and other members is to keep interest of our people and country in your hearts.
I was commenting on being "Apolitical" and "open minded". Based on our many discussions, I never found you as "Apolitical" or "Open minded". It is my personal opinion, so no debates necessary. It is my opinion and my sincere hope is you will NOT consider it as personal attack.
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Supporting Awami League or BNP/Jamat in the current environment
JR said: "If fact, I have been advising religious minorities in Bangladesh to be apolitical and open minded. They should support any party that comes forward to support their causes.
QR said: ">>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should follow your own advice. "
--- On Wed, 4/3/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Supporting Awami League or BNP/Jamat in the current environment
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013, 6:29 AM
>>>>>>>>> You can support whoever you like to support. It is none of my business. As long you don't stick your nose into mine, I am cool with you. I have expressed my view mny hundred times in this forum. I stick to my opinions and admit as much I have expressed here. Rest is your own fiction making.
We don't want to turn Bangladesh into a "Police state" where we have to confess to another person of our personal preferences. I can cite you many posts where I strongly disagreed with BNP/Jamaat. But the "Intolerant" nature forces you to push people into a "Label" or a corner. I consider such mentality "Less than civilized".
Supporting BAL is NOT a crime. You don't have to confess here. I am fine with it. I have tons of friends who openly support BAL league and other parties.
If ever BNP/Jamat politics become secular, I will not hesitate to support them
>>>>>>>>>> guess BNP was always a secular party but I won't hold my breath for Jamaat to turn 'Secular" anytime soon.
If fact, I have been advising religious minorities in Bangladesh to be apolitical and open minded. They should support any party that comes forward to support their causes.
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you should follow your own advice.
Recent trend in politics involving religious minority communities is disturbing; it seems that Awami League has taken part in some of those attacks also. But, the number of incidences is much less than that of the BNP/Jamat. So, the obvious choice for support of religious minorities is still the Awami League.
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I am concern, you should support whomever you like. That is your "God given right". I have NEVER asked anyone to change their political preferences. During our many discussions we have discussed merit of these choices but it is not polite of me to ask you to change your political preferences.
Either way, you are welcome to have a cup of tea in Dhaka anytime. I enjoy meaningful discussions with everyone.
You said you disapprove DC Rally because of your love for the country. As you know Bangladesh is literally burning. Every patriot has a duty to try to do everything in his or her power to extinguish the fire that has engulfed the nation; that includes – seeking international help to quell the fire. The sooner it subsides, the better off our country will be.
>>>>>>>>> this will NOT be the first time when you did NOT read my posts but attributed stuff to me that was not said by me. Here is what I actually said. I said, blaming "Islam" for minority persecution is misleading. As "LOCAL POLITICS" is the main reason for such violence around election times.
Had it been some sort of religious mandate to disturb Hindus (During prophet's time there were no Hindus in Arabia), we would have seen such events every months. BUT we see these disturbing (And shameful) atrocities during election time. It is important to note, Muslims do ALSO suffer a great deal from such uncivilized criminals.
You must know - there are foreign agents in Bangladesh, who are actively involved in many of the violence. I can't say - they are acting for the interest of the Awami League. Can you? You can't say - those infiltrators are there out of their patriotism towards Bangladesh. Raise your voice against them, instead of raising your voice against the protest rally of the religious minorities.
>>>>>>>>>> I have a simple policy about this. I am against ALL foreign agents. I am sick of people who speak out for foreign countries interest (We have them in ALL political parties) over our own.
My analysis of the current situation in Bangladesh is this - government is trying to subdue the violence being inflicted on the nation by the opposition parties (BNP/Jamat). The opposition parties are instigating violence, not the Government; that's the bottom line.
>>>>>>>>>> Thankfully I do not have much connection with our "Thug world", so I cannot agree or disagree with any kind of certainty but none of our big political parties are free from criminals.
Instigating violence by any political party is not a political right under any democratic norm. Do you agree? If you do, you should embolden hands of the government, even if you do not agree 100% with their policies
>>>>>>>>>> Sure. I support our government when I can agree with them in policy matters. When I openly said (In this forum and in public) I feel Sheikh Mujiburt Rahman loved this country and people mistakenly called him a foreign agent, you did not notice it.
Because it is YOU, who associated Islam with Jamaat and BNP. Not me!! (Exactly what Jamaat wants to hear)
I happen to respect Late Ziaur Rahman as well and openly protested when someone called him an ISI agent. To me, all freedom fighters and their contribution during 71 should ALWAYS stay above of current filthy politics. I also love Maulana Bhashani and his simple life style. I like a lot of people like Netaji Shubhash Chandra Bose and Mahatma Gandhi.
That does not mean I have to "Blindly" endorse everything they have done in political space.
As you know, Bangladesh is heading towards a full-fledged civil war, and her existence, as we know now, is in peril
>>>>>>>>> I think, BNP or Jamaat really don't intend to go to any kind of civil war for Bangladesh. They simply want to go to POWER.
They want to establish Caretaker government for smooth transition of power. According to polls taken in recent months, most people of the country happen to agree with "Caretaker concept". However I have no clue how this will be solved and how much more violence we have to witness. I am praying for no more violence in our country.
When a country is in such a peril, it is the duty of all patriots to rally behind the government whether we whole-heartedly support the government or not. It is not a wise strategy to create a roadblock on the way for the firefighters when your house is on fire, unless you have an ulterior motive behind it.
>>>>>>>>>> I trust my judgement and DO support our democratic system. Thus support our current government staying in power until election day comes. My core allegiance is to concept of functioning democracy NOT to any political party. If I join any party in future, I'll let you guys know. Until that time comes, don't waste your precious time in assuming my politics.
I consider myself as a true "MUKTO-MONA" and like to stay that way as long as I can. Wish me luck.....
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 8:23 am
Subject: [mukto-mona] Supporting Awami League or BNP/Jamat in the current environment
You may not admit, but you tend to support BNP/Jamat political ideologies more than that of the Awami League; it's apparent from your conversations. It is probably apparent from my conversations that I tend to support political ideology of Awami League more than that of BNP/Jamat. I have no hesitation to admit that. If ever BNP/Jamat politics become secular, I will not hesitate to support them. If fact, I have been advising religious minorities in Bangladesh to be apolitical and open minded. They should support any party that comes forward to support their causes.
Recent trend in politics involving religious minority communities is disturbing; it seems that Awami League has taken part in some of those attacks also. But, the number of incidences is much less than that of the BNP/Jamat. So, the obvious choice for support of religious minorities is still the Awami League.
You said you disapprove DC Rally because of your love for the country. As you know Bangladesh is literally burning. Every patriot has a duty to try to do everything in his or her power to extinguish the fire that has engulfed the nation; that includes – seeking international help to quell the fire. The sooner it subsides, the better off our country will be.
You must know - there are foreign agents in Bangladesh, who are actively involved in many of the violence. I can't say - they are acting for the interest of the Awami League. Can you? You can't say - those infiltrators are there out of their patriotism towards Bangladesh. Raise your voice against them, instead of raising your voice against the protest rally of the religious minorities.
My analysis of the current situation in Bangladesh is this - government is trying to subdue the violence being inflicted on the nation by the opposition parties (BNP/Jamat). The opposition parties are instigating violence, not the Government; that's the bottom line. Instigating violence by any political party is not a political right under any democratic norm. Do you agree? If you do, you should embolden hands of the government, even if you do not agree 100% with their policies. As you know, Bangladesh is heading towards a full-fledged civil war, and her existence, as we know now, is in peril. When a country is in such a peril, it is the duty of all patriots to rally behind the government whether we whole-heartedly support the government or not. It is not a wise strategy to create a roadblock on the way for the firefighters when your house is on fire, unless you have an ulterior motive behind it.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
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Re: [mukto-mona] Supporting Awami League or BNP/Jamat in the current environment
-----Original Message-----
QR is not definitely an example of an example of 'apolitical' open minded person. He seems to get a prurient pleasure calling Awami League BAL.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:32 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
Which part of my above statement you did not understand. I said - religious minority should support any party whoever supports their causes. Awami League is more supportive of religious minority causes than BNP/Jamat. Therefore, my choice, for now, is Awami League. I am following my own advice. I can support Jamat if they support religious minority causes.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2013 5:10 am
Which part of my above statement you did not understand. I said - religious minority should support any party whoever supports their causes. Awami League is more supportive of religious minority causes than BNP/Jamat. Therefore, my choice, for now, is Awami League. I am following my own advice. I can support Jamat if they support religious minority causes.
Jiten Roy
It is probably apparent from my conversations that I tend to support political ideology of Awami League more than that of BNP/Jamat
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