Does not match with Islam! Problem is that every religion has so many versions. This morning I was listening to the speech by a leader of Hifajat-e-Islam. He was saying in a strong voice that no atheist had place in Bangladesh. Very horrifying.
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God as portrayed by the believer is little more than a commander of an army of servants attending to the wish and prayer of the believer. No thoughtful person should subscribe to such a concept.
>>>>>>>>> Does not match with "Concept of God" in Islam. In Islam, Allah (SWT) is free from all needs. We worship and praise Allah(SWT) for our own benefit.
Maybe you have some other gods or goddesses in your mind.
Shalom!
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God as portrayed by the believer is little more than a commander of an army of servants attending to the wish and prayer of the believer. No thoughtful person should subscribe to such a concept.
2013/4/5 Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] ধর্মবিদ্বেষী ৮৪ ব্লগারের নথি জমা - স্বরাষ্ট্র মন্ত্রণালয়ে
Date: Thursday, April 4, 2013, 2:48 PM
Member Mahfuz,
I am NOT an atheist. However this became a "Hot topic" in Bangladesh and often unable to define the "proper" role of our country dealing with concerns raised.
Personally I have NO problem with atheist people. There are many peaceful people among atheists.
However if some "Practice" atheist by CONSISTENTLY cursing, slander, libeling religion, religious people, founders of religion and Creator of universe. Then we are likely to have some issues with it. Until recently so called "Religious people" never had any issues with atheism or many atheist people. I read works of late Azor Ali Mattubor as well. I never felt any anger about questions raised by late Mattubor Shaheb.
Therefore, do realize there are NO issues with "Freedom of speech" or "Freedom of expression" in Bangladesh.
However we have serious issues with "Hate speech", slander, libel. There are existing laws (NOT sharia law but laws based on English common law) against slander and libel. There are laws against "Contempt of court" as well.
For our long term prosperity we MUST become a country who respect and uphold laws of our land.
I have not been to most blogs but I have been part of Mukto-mona for many months. I have seen many many objectionable posts which did not ask any serious questions or raised any concerns. Rather certain members made a habit of saying something false against religious figures and religion itself.
I find such approach "Less than civilized".
While I do NOT endorse any actions taken by religious parties of Bangladesh but I certainly see how important issues like crime against humanity, padma bridge, Share market etc is moving out of our conversations. These are vital issues for our country.
All responsible people of Bangladesh should do their level best to protect freedom of association, freedom of speech and free markets in our country. However we should not waste our times to protect some foul mouth idiots. If someone's action caused violence in our lands, our existing laws can take care of them. We just need to implement them. No need to wait till Hefazat-e-Islam to tell you what to do.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion ONLY.
Shalom!
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It is difficult to begin commenting on postings like this. But it is not difficult to see what kind of people are behind it. These people congratulate a rabidly pro-Jammat paper like Amar Desh and congratulate themselves for having "exposed" the "atheist" bloggers of Gonojagoron Moncho. The level of their intellect is reflected in the comments you see in the link to the Amar Desh news item given here. The commentators cannot even spell the word "bastard" when the wish to use that term for someone they dislike. They can't even spell, in our dear Bangla, words like "nastik"(atheist) or "fansi", meaning hanging. And someone among them calls Sheikh Hasina "murtad." I don't think the person knows the meaning of the word. To call someone as religious as Sheikh Hasina murtad is itself considered a grave offence in Islam. And this person is supposed to be speaking on behalf of Islam.Now to the news item that Bari posted. The outbursts of some of the bloggers quoted, if correct, speak of immature intellect. One does not have to stoop to indecency to make a point. Even atheist - perhaps particularly atheists -- should be able write well to earn credence. Some of the famous atheists are great writers. Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens come to mind. Most of the atheist blogger young men probably have not read them. They should. There is nothing wrong in being an atheist. It is wrong to be a sloppy or an indecent one.Freedom of expression is, on the other hand, the foundation of a free society. It is also enshrined in our constitution. Freedom compromised is freedom destroyed. The recent chorus for curtailment of the activities of the bloggers is thus totally unacceptable. Opinion should be confronted, if one wants, by dissent, not by threats of imprisonment or hanging. The present stance of the government to placate Islamists by bringing the bloggers to book should have no place in a free society.But then why should the Islamists like the Hefazat-e-Islam want secular legal action against the atheist bloggers? At the end of the news item we see them praying to Allah for the guidance or destruction of the errant bloggers. These believers in divine justice should wait for that justice to come and leave the matter there. Or do they not have enough faith in Allah that divine justice will be done?Mahfuzur Rahman-----Original Message-----
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