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Sunday, June 9, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] ’আর-সব ভা��



By saying "Nazrul used to live 'in a moment'" you are undermining this soul. Looks like you have quoted from some source. Reference please.


>>>>>>>>>> this was my understanding of Nazrul's life. Based on information we read and some experience shared by elders of my family. So those references are not going to be enough for you. Either way this is MY UNDERSTANDING of his creative process.

Truly speaking every creative genius lives in a moment.

>>>>>>>>> You are right to some extend. What I meant is writers like Rabindranath Tagore, Jibonando Das, Sharot Chandra etc had a pattern or thought process. If you read some works of Bonkim, you knew his style and his world view.

Nazrul was a different animal. When you listen to his ghazals, you may think he is the most devout Muslim you would ever see. Next day he produced a bhajan that might change your perception about him all the way. So it is difficult to put a label on him like it was easy to do for most others.

The most important thing is that Nazrul was consistent, although he was not consistent in the eye of a religious fanatic or even a communist.

>>>>>>>>> Well he was consistently inconsistent about any philosophy. He consistently changed his style and even introduced many Farsi and Arabic words in Bangla language. Purist people might not even liked so much foreign influence. So he was good at upsetting the "Establishment".

 However the way he expressed his feelings and love for people was consistently sincere and honest.

Being a staunch believer you might have been upset by Nazrul when he says, "Ami sroshta-sudan (annihailator of the Creator)."

>>>>>>>>>> :-) I am not sure if I am a "Staunch believer" or not but so far my belief system has given me answers that I was looking for, so it would be wrong not to acknowledge it. I am strive to be a good human being and a good Muslim.

Anyway, you are right. If you take his expression literally, you cannot support such arrogance. However if you read his words in context,it is easy to appreciate him. For example he was 23 years old. He came back from the army and saw a lot of poverty, death and sickness. Which stirred his soul and disturbed him. ALSO around the same time communism was VERY popular to young people of his age (Even in Arabia) as a stage to protest against colonialism. So it was an expression of rage, anger and frustration. Because we saw when he wrote Hamd (Songs praising Allah) or Naat-e-Rasul (Songs praising prophet Muhammad PBUH) we saw sincerity in him.

Nazrul was consistent all along when it came to sing the song of human triumph and liberation of the human souls. 

>>>>>>>>> But he also produced religious songs, poems like no one could!!

And people who knew him could not call him dishonest.

Please try to understand him without splitting him. Try to see the big picture.

>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you are quite alright to portray the way you said. I agree with you in most parts and only added my observations. I hope your Mukto-mona spirit will not be offended, if I add few contexts to an observation that I mostly agree.

He was not your typical secular liberal or communist. He did not study either of those to know enough to accept them or reject them. He expressed his feelings based on information and situations presented themselves in front of him.

Prof. Mamtazuddin Ahmed believes that in a true sense he was even a "better" Bangali than Rabindranath. I tend to agree with him. 

>>>>>>>>>> Maybe he was a better liberal and non-communal person than Rabindranath but I think it is baseless to compare with apples and oranges. Rabindranath was very disciplined person who came from a wealthy family and formal education. Nazrul's nick name was "Dhukhu miah" because he had to struggle from a very early age.

Rabindranath was exposed to world literature and that sophistication and exposure reflected in his works.

Nazrul was a creative genius who did not bother to learn any rules but ended up presenting some brand new styles in Bangla. He married Hindu woman and it was unthinkable for common Hindu or Muslim. He was a rebel genius in every sense of the word.

As a Muslim I cannot agree with some of his views but as a common Bengali I can appreciate his creative genius without endorsing all the views. Personally I am comfortable  with diversity of people and opinions. As long they respect my right to have opinion, I can get along fine.

Few months ago, I wrote (Here) that, when I read the words like " Anandaloke Mongol Aloke Birajo satya Sundaro......""

It elevates my spirituality. It reminds me of Allah (SWT). Islam teaches us that,  Allah (SWT) is source of Ultimate Truth and He is Beautiful and loves beauty in us. So it fits my Islamic perception in an unusual way. I also shared an article about Sri Krisna where I found many similarities between his childhood with our prophet Musa (PBUH).

As a Muslim I have my answers in Islam. This world, many ideas, many stories, many myths (Think of Joseph Campbell--Power of Myth) still inspires me in profound ways. It is some of my Mukto-mona members who just love to imagine Muslims based on their fictional perception about Muslims and Islam.

and this is how I role brother....


Shalom!



-----Original Message-----
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 8, 2013 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভা��

 
By saying "Nazrul used to live 'in a moment'" you are undermining this soul. Looks like you have quoted from some source. Reference please. Truly speaking every creative genius lives in a moment. But all the lives they live have to be consistent with respect to a supreme goal or philosophy. The most important thing is that Nazrul was consistent, although he was not consistent in the eye of a religious fanatic or even a communist. Being a staunch believer you might have been upset by Nazrul when he says, "Ami sroshta-sudan (annihailator of the Creator)." Nazrul was consistent all along when it came to sing the song of human triumph and liberation of the human souls.  
Please try to understand him without splitting him. Try to see the big picture. 
Prof. Mamtazuddin Ahmed believes that in a true sense he was even a "better" Bangali than Rabindranath. I tend to agree with him.  
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভা��
 
Nazrul used to live "In a moment". His creativity speaks for his outlook. His bhojons, Shama songs, Ghazals etc simply shows his mood for that moment. As I said, he was not busy thinking about a straight line message with his collective creations. But each of his creation is unique and HONEST. It bears his feeling for those moments. He fought wars on behalf of British Raj and he wrote many poems against that very raj. Once he discover state of common people, it stirred his soul. When he wrote down
"Khoda tumar meherbani, ei Shundoro phul, ei shundoro phol, Mitha nodir pani.....Khoda Tumar meherbani...
He was honest and the river bank he was sitting at that moment is known to have mineral rich sweet flavor.  He was moved by it and devoted this beautiful song. As I said no label is rich enough to capture genius of Nazrul. It is also true people took advantage of him (He was a simple man from humble background) and made name for themselves. Most of his creation is believed to be lost forever. Shalom!


-----Original Message-----From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 5:57 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি' [1 Attachment]
 
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We have been talking about Nazrul in this forum. You may want to know how I see this great soul.

From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'
 
Actually, the great humanist poet, Kazi Nazrul Islam, has been seriously abused in Bangladesh. A large segment of the Bangladeshi intelligentsia has tried to make him their Muslim poet.
 
The so-called secular and communist politicians of West Bengal were also too callous about this great soul. They allowed their truly humanist poet to be used, due to his disabled brain, by the Islamists of Bangladesh, led by the military dictator, Ziaur Rahman.
 
SuBain

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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'

 
............ We have seen enough of Rabidra-Nazrul politics from Pakistani/ BNP and Jamat sides. Could not Monem bring Nazrul to Bangladesh to show his brotherly love for this great poet? I hate to see these kind of crocodile tears from the Islamist who suddenly need to find their own Muslim poet. If Nazrul were alive, he would hated these imbeciles from his guts. -SD

 
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss


From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'আর-সব ভাগ হয়ে গেলেও নজরুলকে ভ াগ করা যায় নি'

 
Out of those amazing poems some will be blasphemous in nature. I don't think Islamic clerics will like them. He wrote many more "Hindu" songs than Islamic songs. Orthodox Muslim society has its own justification to boycott or denounce him. 
Have we not shown due respect to Nazrul? What else could be done? Any suggestions. 
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