I don't think he becomes a hypcrat if he does it.
I don't understand why you are recommending him to go away and go somewhere else to move furniture!
>>>>>>>> Generic statement(NOTHING to do with Suranjit) about what I would do if I wanted to help out a Hindu and Christian household. Since it would be improper to offer dua/prayer over there.
In America you do not have to say pledge of allegiance if you do not believe in God. But you have to stand up along with others and show respect to the American flag.
>>>>>>>> This is exactly what prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did over the thousand years before America was born. Kindly read the references of the noble prophet (PBUH) below.
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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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Actually no one asking anyone to leave but it is sort of hypocritical to say I prayed for a person who do not agree with my spiritual journey. It is absolutely fine to be present with the family, help out (If needed) with arrangements and most people of Bangladesh are comfortable with it.
It is not a major issue but I just wanted to have an idea about your point of view. However I am yet to get a logical answer. I absolutely support your spirit of brotherhood and compassion for each others. I do the same for my non-Muslim friends whenever opportunity presents itself.
Our noble prophet stood up to show respect for a Jewish person's funeral procession. So we have NO issues with showing respect, compassion and helping our fellow neighbors. But phrasing it as "Praying"" seems hollow to me. Here is the reference from Islamic scriptures on this issue.....
Hadith on Death: The Prophet stood up for the funeral of a Jew out of respect for his humanity
Hopefully this will help you with better understanding of the topic and Where Islam stand on it.
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Secular environment? Where?
Word, Shahid is just another bogus issue to put the minorities to their "right place", I suppose.
-Seuss
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>>>>>>>>>> I cannot fathom any conspiracy here. However I have a feeling once again over excited supporters of BAL caused this. First of all (Religiously speaking--since "Sharaddha" is a religious event) there was NO need to include Muslims into the issue and (Mixing of religion and politics) get into "Shaheed" issue. Like S
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Re: [mukto-mona] সরকারি নির্দেশে ‘গণশ্রাদ্ধ’ বন্ধ
Suranjit can still be in the congregation along with Hasina, Tofayel, and others, and if he is a believer he can silently pray for the peace of Mujib in his own religious way
>>>>>>>> My question (Curious) was not understand how an atheist offers "Prayer". That is all. I know about how we pray when we (People in Bangladesh) go into a house with people from a different belief system. Since you were talking about prayer few times, I wanted to understand it from YOU.
>>>>>>>Kindly READ the discussion below. NEVER said anything about Suranjit.
Suranjit can still be in the congregation along with Hasina, Tofayel, and others, and if he is a believer he can silently pray for the peace of Mujib in his own religious way. If he is not a believer (I believe there are at least a couple in there), he can still silently remember the good deeds of Mujib. I don't think he becomes a hypcrat if he does it. I don't understand why you are recommending him to go away and go somewhere else to move furniture!
In America you do not have to say pledge of allegiance if you do not believe in God. But you have to stand up along with others and show respect to the American flag.
Ibn Abu Laila reported: Sahl ibn Hunaif and Qais ibn Sa'd ibn Ubaidah were in Al-Qadisiyyah when a funeral passed by them, so they stood up and it was said to them, "It is one of the local people." They both said: A funeral passed by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he stood up. It was said to him, "It is a Jew." So the Prophet said, "Was he not a soul?"
Source: Sahih Bukhari 1250, Sahih Muslim 961
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim
عَنْ ابْنِ أَبِي لَيْلَى أَنَّ قَيْسَ بْنَ سَعْدٍ وَسَهْلَ بْنَ حُنَيْفٍ كَانَا بِالْقَادِسِيَّةِ فَمَرَّتْ بِهِمَا جَنَازَةٌ فَقَامَا فَقِيلَ لَهُمَا إِنَّهَا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْأَرْضِ فَقَالَا إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَرَّتْ بِهِ جَنَازَةٌ فَقَامَ فَقِيلَ إِنَّهُ يَهُودِيٌّ فَقَالَ أَلَيْسَتْ نَفْسًا
1250 صحيح البخاري كِتَاب الْجَنَائِزِ إذا رأيتم الجنازة فقوموا
961 صحيح مسلم كِتَاب الْجَنَائِزِ قام النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وأصحابه لجنازة يهودي حتى توارت
Source: Daily Hadith
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The problem is that orthodox people like Mr. Q. Rahman don't have the openness of mind to ignore the religious part of gonoshraddha and yet pay tributes to the martyrs. I don't think the Hindu leaders leave the congregation when it comes to visit a graveyards and pray for the departed souls.
What would have been the harm to let people do a little religious ceremony for their loved ones?
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:44 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Why this gonoshraddha after 43 years? Are we not commemorating the martyrs enough? We have 26th march, 14th december, and 16th December. Prayers, symposiums, visiting graveyards, etc. are involved. Don't we feel some thing fishy here?
2. "shahid" is not used mostly in religious contexts in Bangladesh.
3. Online Miriam Webster provides one meaning of 'pray' as asking or requesting for some thing in an humble manner. One can pray for a leave of absence.
4. In a secular environment it is wise not to religionize every thing.
1. Actually I know nothing about the proposed "Gonoshraddha". I smell some conspiracy in the proposed idea. I however have found the debate interesting.
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