Poor people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh subsidized education for doctors and engineers. Which helps them to land on better jobs in a short period of time. Even Muslim Americans earn lot more money per cap over what average Americans make per household.
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Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:15 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Leninism is no Marxism
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Those who are refusing to assimilate are alienated, and their conditions never changed even after generations.
"I know you hate America, but you should know - it was not America's fault that you had to leave for a third world country." - Such comment is manifestation of losing an argument. As for myself, I left on my own choice.
"This is how we become a part of the melting-pot. This is valid only for the first generation of immigrants; second generation will learn on their own." - Every country on earth is a melting pot U.S.A. is a pressure cooker. Every year, about a quarter of a million white Americans leave for elsewhere. Even after staying for generations, African Americans feel alienated. As the proverb says, "New converts sing hymns louder", you are a perfect example of a new convert.
In 1989, there was a vacancy for a junior level technician in our section at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. An Indian guy applied. When he saw me, he came up to me and asked me to pursue his case. I talk to him for a while, and looked at his CV. I was convinced that he will be a very good technician. I know that - section head likes me, so I thought I will plead for him. I went to my boss and said - this guy has excellent experiences in the field. Can we hire him? He said - he will look at his CV, and let me know.
After a month, my boss called me. He said - "Jiten, I agree he has good experiences; but, I am not sure he will be a good match with other." When the final decision was made - he was not selected. At that point something hit me. I realized that – no matter how good you are - first you have to get hired, and, to get hired, you need to be likeable to others in the section. That's a very important factor to be successful in whatever you do.
There was another Indian post-doc scientist, used to work in the Rockefeller University Lab. He used to live in the same building with us. Every morning I used to see him going to work. He would put on "Trilok" and used to recite God's name holding a small bag containing a bead-chain (Jopomala). I thought - he must have applied from India, and was hired based on his CV. Then I heard - he left for India at the end of his contract.
Being immigrant creates multitudes of obstacles in our ways. We often do not know how to relate and talk to other American colleagues, so we all can feel at home. This is important for being successful in here.
So, don't you dare to teach me about American multi-culturalism
>>>>>>> OK. Please teach us about it. When did it start?
Shalom!
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2013 9:37 pm
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I know you hate America, but you should know - it was not America's fault that you had to leave for a third world country. I am living in the American multi-culturalism for 30 years, you are not. So, don't you dare to teach me about American multi-culturalism; I can learn from my life experiences, which you can't. Your arrogance knows no bound. I cannot get down to your level.
Do you know how American society got deteriorated so such? Recent immigrants have rejected the American melting-pot idealism; they want to keep their own culture and identity. Many recent immigrants prefer to use their own language, and, therefore, mix with their own community only; many of them do not even bother to learn English. They are the new backward class.
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Monday, November 4, 2013
Re: [mukto-mona] Leninism is no Marxism
Most immigrants from south east Asia have to privilege of getting good education. Which the African Americans do not have access to in most places (The projects are not known to offer a productive environment). It has very little to do with assimilation and more to do with "Brain drain".
-----Original Message-----
Indians are in general doing very good in America. Probably on an average draws highest salary. Have they really assimilated more than the African Americans? Assimilation does not seem to have much positive correlation with how am immigrant is doing in America.
"Even after staying for generations, African Americans feel alienated." - K. Das
On Saturday, November 2, 2013 7:40 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
"Trilok"- Ain't the word "Tilok"?
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
My observation is from my own life experiences. I do not usually form opinion based on other peoples' opinions. I am not here to convince anyone, either. My observation of American Society for 30+ years leads me to conclude that one of the reasons, among many others, for the growth of economic underclass in America is multiculturalism.
The bottom line is we need to be acceptable to others wherever we work. This means, we have to give up certain characteristics and adopt some new characteristics. This is how we become a part of the melting-pot. This is valid only for the first generation of immigrants; second generation will learn on their own.
Jiten Roy
On Saturday, November 2, 2013 12:19 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
I am living in the American multi-culturalism for 30 years, you are not.
>>>>>>>> Didn't you say that multi-culturism causing "Americans" to accept food stamp (..)? So what gives (If you do not understand the question,kindly ask your kids and they will translate it for you) ?
-----Original Message----- How dare you preach against multiculturalism? How did U. S. A. come into present shape. Read history and find out. Return the Spanish territory to its rightful owners. English was made the Official Language after it won in the Senate by one vote against the German. What language do your family members speak? Bangla or Banglish?
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:52 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
Having the dream of growing reach is not essentially American. It is universal. Those who initiated Boston Tea Party wanted their fare share in the British Parliament with a larger Government. The Republican "Tea Party" men today are trying to fool the American people by pretending to be the defenders of independence. You may be convinced about their ideology and join the losers. That is your choice.
The cause of deterioration of American Society is wrongly diagnosed by you. It is their dependence on the Military-Industrial complex or for that matter dependence on Big corporate culture. May be you or your children would witness Marx's prediction come true in the great land called United States of America.On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
"that society is now the envy of the rest of the world." - it was probably so about five decades ago. Presently, in the quality of public life index, the Americans are not in the top ten list. – K. Das
Multiculturalism has changed the social psyche. Millions of people now believe they deserve government benefits; this was not the case a few decades ago. People used to feel ashamed to accept any government help. Very few would accept food stamps. Now, about 100 million people receive food stamp; people even hide their actual income to seek food stamp. It's not a taboo any longer. This explains the lower standard of living.
"And lastly, if you have no problem with tea party mentality, you are suffering from severe identity crisis. You have come to that land hundreds of years after that incident. " – K. Das
I do not know what identity crisis has to do with Tea-Party mentality. Tea-Party mentality means smaller government mentality; I support that. That's all. What that has to do with identity crisis.
What is one's identity, anyway? Are you trying to say – someone coming from a poor country should not have American dreams? Have you heard the story of Steve Jobs, the founder of the Apple Empire? He was dirt poor in his early life; Bill Gates did not start from a rich background either. These people show how – anybody can think rich and be rich; it has nothing to do with identity.
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