Dear Farida:
Thanks for the article on Hobsbawm, a hot favourite, and a legendary historian but not a great Marxist. Did you find any reference on two of the greatest Marxists of the 20th Century - M Rubel and Anton Pannenko? They and Riazanov were unquestionably the 3 greatest Marx scholar, much much above Lenin, Trotsky, Bukharin and even Lukacs and Gramsci.
About Rabindranath. Please read Paresh Chattopadhyay's Manusher Mukti-Marx in Saradiya Anustup of 1417. PC, drew parallel between Rabindranath and Marx. BS. Rabindranath understood alienation as the fall-out of aggressive capitalism in not only essays of co-operation but in Raktakarabi.
Farida, kindly read communism of Marx and Engels. Marx called of 'collective self-authority'.. Rabindranath- sammilito atmokortritwa.Marx and Rabindranath had different world outlook but they had no difference on the dangers of State and society of free and mutually cooperative society unlike Lenin,Stalin,Mao and Trotsky too.
I think moderrators too did not read the papers I sent. I am helpless. I maintain that Amra Sabai Raja encapsulates the essence of communist or socialist society.
Best,
Sankarda
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 04:22:29
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Don't be fooled with "amra sobai raja". It is a stunt! I have never reconciled with Rabindranath's Raja-preeti. Here is an article on Eric Hobsbaum that I think you will enjoy.
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/177135/man-who-knew-almost-everything
Published on The Nation (http://www.thenation.com)
The Man Who Knew Almost Everything
Ramachandra Guha | November 12, 2013CC: bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:27:42 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] মার্ক্সবাদীদের প্রতি
-SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s
-Seuss
Mr. Ray, what does the above statement mean?
Dr Subimal Chakrabarty has very correctly stated that Marxism should not be the state principle. Marx, Rabindranath Tagore too, had been opposed to state.In a letter to Dr Ludwig Kugelman, he wrote on 12/4/1871,"If you look at the last chapter of my Eighteenth Brumaire you will find that I say that the next attempt of the French revolution will be no longer, as before, to transfer the bureaucratic-military machine from one hand to another, but to smash it, and this is essential for every real people's revolution on the Continent. And this is what our heroic Party comrades in Paris are attempting." Rabindranath's ideation of coveted social order is encapsulated in his lyric- "আমরা সবাই রাজা আমাদের এই রাজার রাজত্বে/নইলে মোদের রাজার সনে মিলব কি সত্বে?
And Marx's works are a jungle. From the IISH, Amsterdam 114 volumes of works of Marx and Engels, their notes, letters (to and fro) in original languages (Marx wrote one of the manuscripts of Capital Vol II in French); 57 of them have been published. In fact, I too have written an introductory on the project MEGA in kafila.org, I wrote in one of the mails here.
Marx had a Math Manuscripts, one Manuscript on chemistry, several on geology and ethnology.
Here is one on Math Manuscripts by Pradip Baksi (http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/varios/Karl_Marx_small.pdf) , one of the most erudite scholars in not only on Marx and Engels, but linguistics, philosophy. He was the first to translate Math Manuscripts into Bengali and English. Interested members/netizens may write to Pradip - pradipbaksi@gmail.com -asking for his papers, although that's a huge repository.
Best,
SR
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 04:57:59
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On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:07 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
I got a great Marxist friend in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
>>>>>>>>>>> (Except a tiny percentage) Leftists of Bangladesh are no different. They "sell" idea to make money and it is probably the "Best sounding idea" of our time. A nice debate can take place if we should focus on "Equal treatment" or "Justified treatment" of all people.
Status of people can be equal but talent/skills/knowledge varies with people and even societies.
Shalom!
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From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Cc: bangladesh-progressives <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm
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With no malice to Marx or his philosophy, I was only trying mock some diehard clowns, who still love to cling onto the ideas that have been rejected and discarded by the ordinary people and naive proletariat. I am sure there are some intrinsic academic values in Marx's economical philosophy and that is truly great for the development of our human society. But, I would not stretch it beyond that. Marxists should practice their philosophy as much as they want but I do not want that POS to be applied in my backyard. I got a great Marxist friend in Kolkata, who built his three story building some ten years ago next to a slum and loves to display his wealth and affluence as his great achievement.
-SD
"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
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