So it is important to understand the difference between TRADITION (Of the sub-continent) and what Islam teaches us (If anyone tries to understand Islam). SOME Bangladeshi Muslim tend to accept traditional practices if someone from Pakistan or Afghanistan preached it. While there are tons of good Muslims among Afghans and Pakistani population but we are require to ensure that every philosophy and opinions (Fatwa of scholars) are rooted in the holy Qurán or authentic Sunnah.
Bottom line is Islam rejects the concept of caste system and racism (Based on nationality, color of skin etc) in every shape and form. Anyone claims otherwise is not aware of these BASICS of Islam.
Shalom!
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The Qurán elevated women and I am satisfied with the status given. While ALL of us (Men and women) should wear decent dress (Most American offices have dress codes), as per Islam women can work, own business (Like last prophet's PBUH wife Khadija did). So when Allah gave these rights to women, I do not think culturally influenced men can take them away from them. There are restrictions on BOTH men and women. Those who want to practice Islam need to follow those basic instructions.
The difference between Islam and Sanatana Dharma (AKA Hinduism) is we can disagree with Mr. Shafi without violating foundations of Islam. However in order to protest (Or destroy) caste system, one has to make fundamental changes to Hinduism.
If you ask me, I can sit with Allama Shafi and discuss such issues (I have done so with some bigger Islamic leaders as well). However I prefer to leave it to Hindus about changing caste system. I am 100% against it but I am probably is not the right person initiating change in something so fundamental to Hindu tradition.
My two cents.
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I have a simpler solution. Can we not just go after violent people? If a group of Hindus peacefully pray to goddess Durga, I do not see any problem with it. If a group of people pray to Allah, I do not see any problem with it.
It is the use of violence to resolve issues that creates problem for some countries.
I feel it is much easier (And FAIR way ) way to deal with issues. No need to be biased against any religion or favor any religion.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Angola Bans Islam, Destroys Mosques
Caste system is fundamentally prohibited in Islam. Qurán and Sunnah have clear instructions against any inclinations towards caste system. IF anyone claims otherwise, they are ignorant about Islam. For example, Afghans are known to be dedicated Muslims but SOME of them submitted very "Un-Islamic" practice of usury (Shud or Riba in Arabic). There are many historical evidence that SOME Afghans engaged in business of usury for centuries. But they are CLEARLY prohibited in Islam.
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Caste-ism had been prevalent in Islam right from its inception. Zia al Din Barani, for example, was a strong defender of it. During his days, Indian Muslims had about four hundred different castes among them.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
Personally I will welcome you to fight against caste-ism.
Caste-ism is illegal. Most of the educated people are against it. It is going away slowly but surely. But the Islamists like you will always refer to your scriptures and justify discriminations against women.
This is the reason why I am in favor of restricting the scope of a religion only to serving religious needs. But people like want to go beyond it.
According to Bangladeshi press, Allama Shafi took back most of what he said. Even at that, as a Muslim I am free to protest it. As per Islamic belief, we have to stay true to the holy Qurán, Sunnah and explanations that reflects these two sources.
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Religion is not always violent. Without being violent it can still violate human rights. Think about Allama Shafi's Tamarind Theory. You can neither endorse nor be passive about it. This is a great sin that has been committed by many of our political parties and partisan intellectuals.
Why should I remain silent if some orthodox Hindu preaches casteism?
Silent killers also need to fought.
Thank you for your well written post.
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Let me address some of the points made over the last couple of days by quite a few people in this forum.
I have no problem banning all religions. As I wrote before on this thread, I think Angola has done it wrong particularly because it banned only one religion.
While I can see that most religions, especially the ones that are based upon fearing what is known as God, have a lot of stupidity and hatred in them, I think the real problem is with people. If people had the mind of reasoning and thinking freely, the religious nonsense and hatred would be rendered irrelevant, people would naturally give up religions. The modern educated societies and nations are actually doing quite a bit of that. If we look around the developed world, it would be obvious that atheists and agnostics constitute an increasing percentage of the population. A lot of Christians in the developed countries do not try to follow the Bible as much as millions of Muslims try to follow the Koran, for example. Religion as a commodity is sold a lot more in uneducated and backward societies than in educated and advancing societies.
I think a methodical removal of religious nonsense, hatred and injustice is what needs to happen in this world. That process has to begin with separating religion from the state, and end with making it absolutely personal.
For example, I do not see any problem if someone thinks he can go to heaven by praying to the goddess Kali or to Allah. However, the civilized world should not tolerate anything like people thinking, and acting upon that thought, that they can go to heaven by killing themselves for the purpose of establishing their religion on Earth, for example.
Society/state should not meddle in other people's religion, only if religion is kept at an absolute personal level. When the practice of one's religion goes against other people's human and citizenship rights, the phrase of 'meddling in other people's religion' should be trashed; the society/state/world should do whatever is needed to stop such practices of religions.
Well, that is all for now.
SuBain
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