Dictionaries cited here by Dr. Bain have wrongly defined God as the creator. It is so only in Abrahamic religions. Egyptian, Greek, and other high Gods in pagan world don't have much role as creator. They are not almighty, omnipresent, or omniscient. Creation has been the work of demigods like Yaldabaoth or Viswkarma.
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On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:14 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dr. Bain, dictionary only defines things based on the existing popular perceptions. You should not use dictionary to understand any contrary opinions.My understanding of God is not the existing perception, even though it should be. As per Hindu religion - God lives in every living being, and so does the evil. What does that mean? Only plausible explanation is - God and evil must live in spirit in all living beings.You must have experienced, in your life, that you achieve better success, when your effort is whole-heartedly supported by your heart and mind, but, you get undesirable outcome, when your efforts are half-hearted.One can interpret - the former endeavor as being done as per the will of the God, but the later ones were done against the wills of the God, meaning evil-spirit contributed to the negative outcome in the later cases. Did I say anything impractical here?Jiten Roy
From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God
Good, discussions gentlemen! Let me provide the definitions of God and god as per two dictionaries.God in Oxford Dictionaries: (In Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being."God" in Merram-Webster Dictionaries: The perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe."god" in Oxford Dictionaries: (In certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. An adored, admired, or influential person."god" in Merram-Webster Dictionaries: A spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people. One of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions. A person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired.To answer Jiten Roy's questions to Sanjeev Kulkarni, rational people (atheists) do not have to accept the God/god as a spirit either; they can probably accept that some people (believers) might find a way to keep themselves contented by believing such spirits. Of course, if the beliefs were kept within oneself, the imaginary character of God/god would not be much of a problem. Emphasize "oneself"; it should not include anyone else. Now, if the belief requires one to put a burqa on his wife, for example, it is a problem; it is like enslaving others for an idiotic belief.It is too much of a shame for humans to accept the kinds of injustice that have been going on in the world for the nonsensical beliefs in God/god.Sukhamaya Bain================================================On Friday, December 5, 2014 10:12 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
God is simply an idea without any material basis. There are tribes in Amazonas, who have no concept of God and they are perfectly OK without that imaginary figure. It is understandable why mortal humans want to imagine a God for a secure unknown future. The question is whether anybody has secured their future yet?-SDOn Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:38 PM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Yes, Sanjeev, you need to define God first. If I say, my God has no existence, He lives in the spirit, then where the question of existence of God come from? Atheists should not have trouble accepting this God. Isn't it?Jiten Roy
From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God
Define god ? Poison by any name will kill.
