Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

This article is not terribly informative. To lose faith, all one needs is to find out the inconsistencies of so called religions. There is plenty of them.

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On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:09 AM, "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Good, now you are sending an article on Atheism by someone. You think - his understanding is superior to you or me.  I know - my argument will be fruitless now. Still, let me say this - I am not talking about the God of the religion, you are talking about. I do not like the concept of God in the religion also.  

My  concept of God has a practical purpose in our lives. 

Jiten Roy
 

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 

Read the good article - very informative :

http://smithandfranklin.com/uploads/articles/1393460312Victor%20Stenger%20%28Final%20Version%29.pdf

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From: "Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2014 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 

Sanjeev, you are an extreme materialist; with that sort of mindset, it will be almost impossible to conceive spiritualism. So, it will be a waste of time to go any further with this discussion.

Jiten Roy

 

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From: "sanjeev kulkarni jeevkulkarni@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] God does not need religion, religion needs God

 

Reality affects even those people who do not experience it.  Illusion affects only those 

who experience it and there is no other effect on external world.  For example, if a 

snake bites me while I am sleeping and I do not see it, even then its poison will affect 

me.  But if I dream something, it will not affect any thing in the external world.  That is why dream is not considered a reality even though it is so vivid that  the person 

experiencing it cannot make out that it is not real while experiencing it.  When awake

 he concludes that it was not real as it did not affect any thing other than the person 

who was experiencing it.  So he rightly distinguishes reality from illusion disregarding 

his personal experience  which is not consistent with other experiences when awake. 

Water that you see in the desert is considered illusion (mirage) because you only experience it but cannot quench your thirst nor extinguish fire by it.  So illusion is 

only experience where as reality has other effects on the external world too.

Unfortunately this rational out look is not applied to spiritualism.  

Your brain is quite capable to show you video games.  People consuming liquor or drugs lose touch with the reality and imagine many things and experience many things which are not real.  The centers in the brain which the drugs stimulate can be activated by psychological manipulation and auto-suggestion / self-hypnosis.  Even electrical currents to these centers gives you experiences which are only generated in the brain and are not external reality.  (see the experiments re. god-helmet).  But due to religious upbringing, instead of just enjoying spiritual experiences and recognizing what they really are, people start believing them as the ultimate reality and external 

world not consistent with these experiences as illusion (maya) .  This is a big blunder.

Actually spiritual experiences are only a result of stimulation of brain and chemical play in the brain and  not the reality.  No wonder any lives based on this so called ultimate reality resulted in a big failure in the material world (real world).  

You have observed galaxies coming into existence and destroyed.  Did you see any external factors deliberately doing it ?  If not, why you concluded that some body is controlling these things ?  For more detailed discussions, see the debate between scientists and religious people by googling the term ' creationism v/s evolution debate".  There is plenty of articles by prominent scientists giving reasons as to why and how there is no god or any one controlling the happenings in the universe.  

There is no purpose of this universe.  Finding purpose in the vast universe and meaning to your life reminds me of s villager.  He visits a big town and attends a fare.  While enjoying different stalls etc. he loses his blanket some where.  Not able to trace it, he concludes that the whole purpose of establishing that town and organising a fare in it was to steal his blanket !  Many people try to find purpose in the universe and their lives like this villager.  

Sanjeev