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Sunday, January 25, 2015

Re: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie



" Has it ever published a Krishna, a Moses or a Christ picture ever?"

Even if Charlie Hebdo does print those pictures, nobody will give it a hoot.
 
Even if Charlie Hebdo does print those pictures, nobody will give it a hoot, because it won't be a big deal to Hindus and Christians.  They understand - this is a cartoon paper, and its job is to mock things.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand this point? Religion should be much more than what is printed on the cartoon pages.

Jiten Roy
 

 
From: "Mohammad Mushrafi mushrafi@hotmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie

 
Dr. Mushrafi/Australia FF • a few seconds ago.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has no valid picture in the history books. Clearly the Paris magazine Charlie has been too much after Islamic drawing. Has it ever published a Krishna, a Moses or a Christ picture ever?, Probably not... Therefore clearly the magazine has got an agenda about Islam, which is ill-conceived, illiterate and ill-motived. The concept "free speech" is far above that. The Parisians are mislead and has been thrown in to the wrong notion of freedom, social conflict and obvious dangers.

The atrocities, killing, and creating havoc in the lives of the population and the communities anywhere in the world, are forbidden clearly in Islamic ideals and texts.  By fuelling up their madness and  those senseless barbaric craze done by militants also a mindless madness in the name of freedom by the slogan chanters.
 


From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:37:29 -0600
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie

 
Freedom of speech is a universal concept. Theoretically we all should have the freedom to express our own views, opinions, and creative ideas. But the problem is that we all are not equally ready for it to the fullest extent. I will never go to a remote village and tell my relatives that their gods and goddesses are all false. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Jiten Roy jnrsr53@yahoo.com [mukto-mona] <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Freedom of speech is subjective; it needs to be defined on the basis of prevailing circumstances. What is a freedom of speech in one country may not be so in another country.  For example, what is a freedom of speech in France may not be a freedom of speech in Muslim countries. 
Now, if you come to France, you must accept the freedom of speech of that country; you cannot redefine freedom of speech in your own way.
Jiten Roy

 
From: "Sukhamaya Bain subain1@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] French farce on Charlie

 
The West is indeed hypocritical when they prosecute speeches that they do not like, while defend speeches that they like. In case of Charlie Hebdo, the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan is a shame. While I defend Charlie Hebdo's right to print their cartoons, I am not Charlie. I do not like making provocative/stupid jokes involving religious icons. Making stupid jokes involving someone who is considered a prophet or God by hundreds of millions of people is not the same as shunning religious stupidity and hatred. The civilized world needs to do the latter, not the former, which can go against realizing the latter. My understanding is that most Westerners are actually not Charlie.
 
The civilized world certainly needs to prosecute and forcibly stop barbaric crimes, such as killing, raping, burning people's home, etc., that are being committed by Muslims in many parts of the world. However, any kind of hate speech, including the ones that come from Muslim bigots, should be criticized with words only. If the hate speech causes anyone to contemplate/commit a crime, the crime should be stopped and the criminal should be punished. In a truly free speech regime, no speech is to be prosecuted.
 
Sukhamaya Bain

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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:15 PM, "Shah Deeldar shahdeeldar@yahoo.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
It is hard to know whether Mr. Ray endorses the article or he simply wants us to pass opinions about the contents? It would be absurd to say that the West are free of hypocrisy. No they are not! But despite all the western hypocrisies, Muslim migrants have been pouring into the west and love to stay in the West? For what? Western liberty, luxury and glitters? The answer is of course is obvious. Islamic homelands have failed Muslims miserably for few centuries. But ironically, nobody would acknowledge that cruel truth. Muslims  would migrate but do not want to assimilate in their newly adopted countries but to bring baggage from their home countries to create a state within a state. So, what country would tolerate such silent foreign invasion in their republics? Maybe, Ray should have a first-hand experience after being cleansed from then East Bengal or East Pakistan? Is he still a gullible man, who thinks, it is the fate that determines people' destiny?

Why only Muslims get marginalized and profiled in the West and other infidel countries? The author of course know the answers but he would not say it publicly because that would invalidate the lame arguments that he has made about the Muslim specific discrimination. If Muslims look everything through the prism of the religion and prophet, I do no see how that community can become an enlightened one and stronger. A self critic is overdue! Murders would not silence the West and it's hypocrisy.

-SD



On Saturday, January 17, 2015 5:15 PM, "'Sankar Kumar Ray' sankarray62@rediffmail.com [mukto-mona]" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

France Arrests a Comedian For His Facebook Comments, Showing the Sham of the West's "Free Speech" Celebration

 
Forty-eight hours after hosting a massive march under the banner of free expression, France opened a criminal investigation of a controversial French comedian for a Facebook post he wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attack, and then this morning, arrested him for that post on charges of "defending terrorism." The comedian, Dieudonné (above), previously sought elective office in France on what he called an "anti-Zionist" platform, has had his show banned by numerous government officials in cities throughout France, and has been criminally prosecuted several times before for expressing ideas banned in that country.
The apparently criminal viewpoint he posted on Facebook declared: "Tonight, as far as I'm concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly." Investigators concluded that this was intended to mock the "Je Suis Charlie" slogan and express support for the perpetrator of the Paris supermarket killings (whose last name was "Coulibaly"). Expressing that opinion is evidently a crime in the Republic of Liberté, which prides itself on a line of 20th Century intellectuals – from Sartre and Genet to Foucault and Derrida – whose hallmark was leaving no orthodoxy or convention unmolested, no matter how sacred.
Since that glorious "free speech" march, France has reportedly opened 54 criminal cases for "condoning terrorism." AP





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