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Thursday, April 9, 2009

[ALOCHONA] Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house



junaid.sultan
 
Your argument sound very ridiculous. While Arabesque name supposed to be connoted to be Muslim names, that's necessarily be always true. Keith Ellison, a US senator, who happened to be a Muslim.
 
Reverse is true, many Jews & Coptic Christians have Arabesque name, they are not necessarily Muslim.
 
Mohammad As[s]ghar, either a munafiq or k'afir or atheist, can be everything but believer. Name can be deceptive, specially when everyone here is very non-personal. You need to judge people by their arguments, not name, that's silly!
 
Well, I would not argue with a peanut brain-owner!
 


--- On Wed, 4/8/09, junaid.sultan <junaid.sultan@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: junaid.sultan <junaid.sultan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Remembrance of Shahid Zia and cantonment house
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 9:29 PM


Mr. Dev

At the least your name suggest that you are not a muslim. Without going
to the argument who is eligible to be called Shaheed and who is not, may
I know background of your knowledge for the word "shaheed" from Islamic
perspective.

Mr. Avijit Dev, or what may ever your real name is, for the sake of
religion you believe in, come out of this "munafiqat". We know, at
present, people like you or alike you, with fake identities, are
creating trouble in the educational campuses in particular and every
other forum in general,only for the sake of politics. Of course with
lies some times and half truth rest of the time.

Junaid Sultan

--- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Avijit Dev" <avijit_dev@ ...> wrote:
>
> Cyrus wrote:>>I thought a "shahid" is a martyr who sacrifices himself
or killed in a religious war.<<
>
> Just get this, Cyrus, that the word "religion" is foreign to Muslim
world. The word "religion" is name for the authority of church and that
had been replaced by political authorities in different guise in
christian countries. And the concept of "religious war" were waged by
the crusaders those who were/are wearing a mask of love and for them
(crusaders) war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.
>
> There are no recorded history any Caliphate had ever waged war on to
spread deen[knowledge] . and to spread knowledge[deen] as Koran says,
don't compel people to accept deen[knowledge] . Compulsion is not the way
of peace[Islam] but it is chaotic what crusaders always did and still
does that in the name of "political economic guise" with a political
state authority. This distinction must be recognised.
>
> As for who deserves to be named shahid? anyone who were wrongfully
killed or murdered for creating chaos or spreading dogmas are deserved
to be named shahid. And Shahid Zia is one of them for many people in
Bangladesh. Just as Quran says: killing someone is killing all humanity
and saving someone life is saving all humanity.
>
> For many people, late president Zia was decent, honest and was working
for a "just cause" or to build pragmatic society instead of totalitarian
concept that BAKSAList wanted to achieved.
>
> He was the father or architecture of democratic Bangladesh based on
inclusion of all the members of the society. And it is imperative to
form a country with all its inhabitants to have a peaceful society and
otherwise it is chaotic, dogmatic and intentionally mobilising for chaos
to perpetuate destability for alien causes.
>
> There are a few parties under the umbrella of BAL are mobilising for
chaos in name of democracy for their masters and those should be
recognised and should be awarded them with a tag "neo-rajakar" . And
these neo-rajakars' masters' strategy is to divide and conquer and in
effect, destroying a nation's industrial base and just as destroying the
moral of a country while we remain infighting to each other.
>
> -- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Cyrus thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> >
> > almost 30 years later, I still don't understand why Major Zia was
given the posthumous title, "Shahid". I thought a "shahid" is a martyr
who sacrifices himself or killed in a religious war. If memory serves me
right, he was killed by his own associates. There was no religious war,
nor there was any self sacrifice. Just curious!
> >
> > C
>




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