Fwd: [ALOCHONA] USA in the Phillipines acting like the colonial Brits of 19th century in India

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Can this lady talk without Personal Attacks?

>>>>> Pot calling the kettle black....

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From: Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
To: alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:42 pm
Subject: [ALOCHONA] USA in the Phillipines acting like the colonial Brits of 19th century in India

 

Farida Majid wrote:
"Turkman needs to add a little reading to his VAST knowledge. Please read the letters Columbus wrote to Ferdinand & Isabelle in Spain after his first voyage, and then on subsequent trips to the Americas. While you are at it, please read the account of the trial of Columbus after it was exposed that he did not reach India in 1492, and that he had been lying to the Spanish people all along for six years. The scandalous exposure occured after the voyage of Portugal's Vasco da Gama that rounded the Horn of Africa and reached the shore of real India in 1498-99".
TURKMAN:
What the hell allthis has to do with your lie that I exposed? You wrote Columbus slaughtered the Native Red Indians, when he had not and you proclaimed that he he had landed in American Continents, when he had taken Trips to only islands in West Indies. Can this lady talk without Personal Attacks?
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--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@...> wrote:
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> TURKMAN: If 'Gora' means, White Race. I am not a 'wannabe Gora' because I am a Gora.
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> 'Gora' does not simply mean White Race. 'Gora' is a loaded term full of historic, political and cultural connotations. You may be blessed with a skin color as white as a lily, but as a Deshi you cannot be designated a 'Gora' unless you exhibit the colonial mentality of a foreign settler whose presence in the land is for the sole purpose of looting and robbing. In order to justify that evil purpose the proverbial 'Gora' depicted the natives as inferior humans who had no God-given right to hold on to their own wealth. You can read Thomas B. Macaulay, the quintessential Gora's infamous description of the Bengali as a jati (published in Edinburgh Review in 1846).
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> You would gladly pipe in with that scoundrel Columbus in 1492 who justified massive genocide with the same argument.
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> TURKMAN: Could you tell us, when and where Columbus had justified Massive Genocide in West Indies (the only region of the Western World he had made his voyages to) ... ?
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> Turkman needs to add a little reading to his VAST knowledge. Please read the letters Columbus wrote to Ferdinand & Isabelle in Spain after his first voyage, and then on subsequent trips to the Americas. While you are at it, please read the account of the trial of Columbus after it was exposed that he did not reach India in 1492, and that he had been lying to the Spanish people all along for six years. The scandalous exposure occured after the voyage of Portugal's Vasco da Gama that rounded the Horn of Africa and reached the shore of real India in 1498-99.
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> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:01:39 -0700
> From: turkman@...
> Subject: USA in the Phillipines acting like the colonial Brits of 19th century in India
> To: farida_majid@...; alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@...>
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> You are trying to divert attention away from the horrible happenings in the Mindanao province of the Philippines right now with your 'vast knowledge' about the history. You are acting like a typical 'wannabe Gora' when you blithely use the description of the native Philippines as 'Savage Pagans'.
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> TURKMAN: If 'Gora' means, White Race. I am not a 'wannabe Gora' because I am a Gora.
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> You would gladly pipe in with that scoundrel Columbus in 1492 who justified massive genocide with the same argument.
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> TURKMAN: Could you tell us, when and where Columbus had justified Massive Genocide in West Indies (the only region of the Western World he had made his voyages to) ... ?
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> May be you are not aware that you are siding with the Jamaati collaborators who committed Genocide in 1971 with the similar type of excuse: those who were killed deserved to die because they were not FULL Muslims, because they were Full Hindus, or at least half-Hindus (as the 1872 Gora Census of Bengal described the Bengali Muslims).
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> TURKMAN: I have never said Moslims are real Moslims because even the best of them only follow Rituals and Traditions of Islam, not the Character Building Basics of Islam.
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> Here's a comment from someone residing in Australia and who obviously has a better view of what is going on in the Philippines:
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> "MANILA, Philippines — The US will try or is trying to do here what the British did to India, a vengeful partitioning into three countries, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. I get a creepy feeling watching US diplomats in Manila and Mindanao that they still haven't finished the dirty work they started in 1898. They'll get us yet," — Carmen Guerrero Nakpil (Exeunt)"
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> TURKMAN: Thanks for letting us know, Muslim League had not divided India and Awami League had nothing to divide Pakistan and it was British, who had done all that. Great Research. May be in your next research you are going to prove that British had separated Omwi of Spain from Abbasi Caliphate also.
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> Not Just Phillipines, USA is trying to do in India in this millenium what British East India Company did to India in 1750's. Afterall USA is Broke and this time round the entire world knows about it except Indias elected Politicians.
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> TURKMAN: Please tell us, what USA is trying to do to India because the world does not know. USA is broke of what? Doesn't USA own the Currency Printing Press? If USA is broke, how come she is still purchaser of 1/3rd of whole world's Exports worth $ 1.7 trillion every year and BD is still getting Charity of Aid from USA?
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> East India Company sold Guns and Whiskey to feuding Indian Kings and Nawabs and later took Indians to many countries as slaves to work as plantation workers ( Malaysia where Indians in Chains are still referred to as Klings ( noise of the chain) and in Fiji ).
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> TURKMAN: Who the hell were Indian Kings feuding with? Could you tell us about any of their wars with each other? Where were Indian Feuding Kings, when Sir Thomas Roe had gotten permission to build the first of East India Company's Fort for doing trade with India by Emperor Shah Jahan? Were the Kings of Idia not created because of dis-integration of Mogul Empire afterward by Mollaa Aurangzeb? Why should any Europeans have been stopped the an Europeans from purchasing Slaves from Indian Slave Markets. Had the Emperor told them, not to buy them? One of my own ancestors had 360 plus Slaves until British had banned Slavery in India in 1863. Who would have stopped my that Ancestor to take his Slaves to any other country? Your knowledge of History and circumstances is not enough to discuss history with me, Kid.
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> Today USA is selling India "Nuclear Fuel" at prices we cannot afford and are posing as nuclear power experts they are not (The world remembers Ges pathetic stance wrt to Japans Fukushima Nuclear disaster. Americans will not allow Nuclear Power stations in USA yet US Govt & MNC's will build them all over India and then ofcourse USA will also provide security for these power stations with spy planes and satellite monitoring again at prices India can ill afford. Whistle blower MPs who tried to expose the cash for votes deal for Indo US Nuclear Treaty are now languishing in Jails..
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> TURKMAN: Oh sure, sure. There are no Nuclear Power Plants in USA. 30% of Electricity produced by Nuclear Plants that USA uses are not in USA. They are in India. Girl, you do not even know, US Government is not in to selling of Nuclear Plants. Private Companies that have nothing to do with US Govt. sell them.
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> Transporting slaves has become an expensive exercise today, so now Indians & Chinese work as slaves in their own homes in sweat shops operated by MNCs and Indian IT sweat shops and Call centres...
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> TURKMAN: Tell this to those poor Slaves ...! Americans would love to have all those jobs back because Un-employment in USA has gone over 20%. Indian Govt. would think you are crazy because India earns tons of Foreign Exchange from those jobs and those jobs have raised Indian Per Capita Income and GDP, while Americans are losing their Homes for lack of jobs. 10 million Americans have lost their Houses and Apartments so far and its expected that another 2 million would lose them in next couple of years.
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> USA shifts 60% of its manufacture to China and now blames China for Carbon emissions..
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> TURKMAN: Sure, sure. China should keep killing its people by polluting even its Water, forget about Carbon Emissions.
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> Not long before half the rural population in India will be working for Monsanto receiving a minimum wage of Rs 35 per day as found adequate by Planning Commission Chief Montek Singh to be classified APL meaning not BPL
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> TURKMAN: Tell India to ban Monsanto ...! I don't own its Shares.
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> As if this was not enough now US agents in India are tagging and bar coding the entire population in India under a Unique ID Project, while we sit quietly and the poor are made to believe that Govt of India will magically drop food supplies from the skies and they can all live happily ever after.
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> Where is modern India's Katta Bomman ?
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> TURKMAN: Humans can be Tagged and Bar Coded? Please explain more about this Technology ...! I want to invest in this new Technology.
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> Ram Krishnaswamy
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> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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> I think, you do not know history of Philippines and not much about it. They love USA and curse their Freedom Fighters, who used to Sneak Attack Americans in 1930's because people of Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Hawaii etc did not do that and they have a few to 10 times better standard of living than theirs. Natives of those Islands need no Visa to go to New York, Philippines do.
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> 1. Philippines were Savage Pagan people, who's even Females did not cover their Breasts before Spanish landed their.
> 2. They were invaded by Chinese and enslaved.
> 3. Spanish conquered Philippines in 1521 and was turned in to a Colony of Spain and this is why its a Catholic Christian country just like all present Spanish Speaking countries in the West.
> 4. USA had bought Philippines from King of Spain in 1898 paying in Gold and had freed it in 1935.
> 5. Japan had conquered and occupied Philippines after that.
> 6. USA had gotten them freed again in 1945.
> 7. If USA gets involved in anything with Philippines its not because USA wants to take it over again. Its because Philippines request USA to negotiate for them.
> 8. As a matter of fact, almost all Philippines want to be a colony of USA still.
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@> wrote:
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> > I find this sad commentary on the current affairs of the Filipino nation very interesting and to the point which we Deshis never tire of arguing. Oh! How good the British rule was! The gora rescued us from casteism and tyranny of the Mughals! The Muslims needed a homeland! etc. etc.
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> > <<. . . . The present end state of continued and increased participation of Washington and Kuala Lumpur over "peace talks" in Southern Mindanao, will play out to the jollity of respective US and Malaysian interests. And before a courteous Filipino nation, often accommodating in their Oriental ways, when confronted with foreign visitors "bringing gifts," discoursive intellectuals, academicians, "peace-niks," federalists, who want to turn back the hands of time to honor ethnicities, revert to regional/tribe-nations and overturning the regalian doctrine, instead of historical caveats to celebrate our strength (republic) in oneness and unity, regardless of origin, religion, language, and color of skin. >>
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> > http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/337063/bangsa-america
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