I like the following exchanges between Mr. Subimal Chakrabarty and Dr. Kamal Das. To fit the topic, I have changed the heading.
I am also curious, did the immigrant Jews convert to Hinduism? If so, did they do it out of their respect for Hinduism, or were they forced by the Hindus?
From what I see in the history of the subcontinent over the last thousand years, I agree with Mr. Chakrabarty, "Hinduism within its own periphery will rather suppress the lower castes obliging them to convert to another religion. In that sense Hinduism is anti-preaching."
Talking about conversion to Hinduism, I have wondered, who gets converted to what caste? Who in the world would be interested in getting converted to a Shudra or Chandal? The way I see the attitudes of the powerful Hindus, they would not take the average Muslim or black African for anything better than a Shudra or Chandal. Of course the Hindu leaders have been keen on licking the boots of the Nawabs and the white Europeans. They would not dare converting them to anything less than Brahmin or Kshatitrya. But, why in the world would the average Nawab/British demote himself from kicking the butts of the Hindus to be equal to the Hindus?
Talking about civilized and uncivilized, the Hindus had some of the most uncivilized practices in the world, the remnants of which are still lingering.
Finally, let me appeal to all, please try your best to avoid attacking anyone personally.
Thanks,
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
What happened to the immigrant Jews? Did Hindu preachers convert them to Hindus? What I know about Buddhists is this: Hindus made Buddha as one of their "avatars". Can you please shed light on the parts of Indian history when Hindus tried to convert non-Hindus and "untouchables" including various tribes Hinduism? According to Nihar Ranjan Ray even the chandals in Bengal were outside the chaturvarna system. This means that they were not even shudras.I don't understand why you react so sharply when I want to say that exit from Hinduism is lot easier than getting into it if not impossible! This attitude of the Hindus made it lot easier for the Buddhist, Christian, and Muslim preachers to convert the Indians to their respective religions.
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
"Hinduism" and "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Really??? What happened to the three major waves of Jewish immigrants to India Bengal populace before Adisur?
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:17 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
Preaching or propagating a religion if you will is marketing of an idea. As in modern marketing you have to use all the marketing tools, strategies, and tactics to be effective. Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam have been being missionary religions. And we know what missionaries do in general. Besides the soft spoken preachers, rulers and conquerors also supplement the efforts of the preachers sometimes with sword. Historically Christian and Islamic history of preaching have not been always peaceful particularly when the rulers and conquerors have taken active roles. Buddhism although a proselytizing religion was an exception in this respect. "Hinduism" and "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Hinduism within its own periphery will rather suppress the lower casts obliging them to convert to another religion. In that sense Hinduism is anti-preaching. In modern times, Chaitanyadeb and Vivekananda made exceptions. While Christian missioneries risked their lives to go to remote araes in India
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