With your yardstick and wisdom, you are in no position to measure my knowledge(or lack of it). I have mentioned Dayananda Saraswati. You may add a few more names like Sankaracharya, Kumaril Bhatta. A 'wise' man like you who can't account for the Buddhists who disappearing in different parts of India, and yet becoming successful elsewhere is not expected to have any vision, though he might have a pair of eyes located in right places.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:22 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have mentioned about Chaitanay of the 15th century as a preacher. I know you are a gtreat pundit! Can you give any evidences of organizational efforts to convert to Hinduism. Do not be too pundit to ignore Nihar Ray!Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
Apparently, you never heard of Dayananda Saraswati. He got killed as he converted a few Muslims to 'Hinduism'. Even one of the close associates(Rup or Sanatan Goswami) of Chaitanya was a Muslim. Any person claiming to be knowledgeable should spend considerable time reading informative books. Someone who can't identify the Afghans as Pathans ain't even worth a lecture, let alone any debate.
What happened to the Jews? They were absorbed by the Indian society. Many of them even became Brahmins. For example, 'Shet/Shetty' was originally a Jewish surname. They retained their money lending business but lost their religion. Instead of Yahweh, they started worshiping Lord Ganesh.
Read Ronald Inden instead of Nihar Roy to learn about caste system in India. (However, a person should not read a book beyond his level of comprehension.) More Buddhists got converted by Hindus than the other way round..
Lack of wit doesn't permit one to understand a lot of things. Those who say, entry into Hinduism is difficult if not impossible are unaware of history, and also of contemporary events. How many of the Hare Krishnas were born as Hindus? Have an electroencephalogram, and take medicine to improve brain function.
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:What happened to the immigrant Jews? Did Hindu preachers convert them to Hindus? What I know about Buddhists is this: Hindus made Buddha as one of their "avatars". Can you please shed light on the parts of Indian history when Hindus tried to convert non-Hindus and "untouchables" including various tribes Hinduism? According to Nihar Ranjan Ray even the chandals in Bengal were outside the chaturvarna system. This means that they were not even shudras.I don't understand why you react so sharply when I want to say that exit from Hinduism is lot easier than getting into it if not impossible! This attitude of the Hindus made it lot easier for the Buddhist, Christian, and Muslim preachers to convert the Indians to their respective religions.From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:14 PMSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith"Hinduism" and "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Really??? What happened to the three major waves of Jewish immigrants to India? What happened to the Buddhists who constituted ninety percent of Bengal populace before Adisur?On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:17 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:Preaching or propagating a religion if you will is marketing of an idea. As in modern marketing you have to use all the marketing tools, strategies, and tactics to be effective. Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam have been being missionary religions. And we know what missionaries do in general. Besides the soft spoken preachers, rulers and conquerors also supplement the efforts of the preachers sometimes with sword. Historically Christian and Islamic history of preaching have not been always peaceful particularly when the rulers and conquerors have taken active roles. Buddhism although a proselytizing religion was an exception in this respect. "Hinduism" and "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Hinduism within its own periphery will rather suppress the lower casts obliging them to convert to another religion. In that sense Hinduism is anti-preaching. In modern times, Chaitanyadeb and Vivekananda made exceptions. While Christian missioneries risked their lives to go to remote araes in India, the custodians of Hinduism kept themselves busy with the task of making religion more and more inaccesible. Service to the distressed humanity and bringing light to the underprivileged and neglected people are the good sides of preaching. There are ugly sides too. Bribing for example is an example.From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:58 PMSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: OP meeting on "Hindu temples and properties are d estroyed in Chittagong, Bangladesh"Even God supports deceit in the 'interest of religion', the Arabic word for it is taquia. About the 'referendum of 1940', the Lahore resolution was not a referendum. It was the result of a Muslim League meeting. The participants, e.g., Sikander Hyat Khan of the Unionist Party, G. M. Syed of Jiye Sind, and Fajlul Haque of K. S. P., were members of provincial parliaments elected in 1937 on the separate electorate basis. They were coerced by the British Governors to be members of the Muslim League, else their cabinets would be dissolved (Ref.- A. J. Moore in Escape from the Empire). According to Maulana Azad, Indian Muslims had grown weaker as a political force due to partition in 1947.On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
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