Weren't the stories taken from Bukhari? Read ahadith, most of them are available even on the sidewalk.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
That is one point of view. However, you have found nothing out for anyone like me. It is you, who is desperate to prove 'truth' in your faith.On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
You have "Interesting" way to learn and share information about Islam. You pick up this FALSE information from "Christian web sites" to show your "Knowledge" of Islam!!!
It may work with some ignorant people but here is a background of the organization that published this FALSE article. It is a CHRISTIAN website spreading FALSE information. ( Taken from the this website on Islamophobic Christian hate site)
Yeah statements like this [ Hafsa: "Mom Where is Dad"?] kinds gives away the "Red neck" authors of arab history ????
Just read the mission statement from his hate filled "Christian missionary" site. They do similar things to Hindus as well (By distorting history and confusing people).
Our Theology
This ministry was established as a Christian organization. Our beliefs, methods and activities are based on and influenced by Christian ethics. Our members are Christians who belong to different Christian denominations. We do not interfere in each persons beliefs and practices. However, we all share the belief in a basic set of doctrines recognized and accepted by most mainstream Christian churches. These beliefs are incorporated in what is known as "the Nicene Creed."
This website is known as "Islam review". Those who want to distort information about Islam to confuse most Muslims!!
I have been spending time to answer consistent FALSE misleading information from ONE member of Mukto-mona. So far I have taken such absurd and untrue statements as "Honest misunderstanding". This time I wanted to find out how just ONE member consistently comes up with WRONG information about Islam?
I am glad to report that, I found a desperate person who is ready to go to absurd length to spread FALSEHOOD on Islam. I would request all members to be protector of truth, fairness and knowledge. This is ugly face of human nature and should be addressed.
I still like to think, most of us want to live peacefully. Let us see where can we go from here....
Shalom!!
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 3:42 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
Here is another version of the episode which ultimately brought about the war of roses between the prophet and his wives:
ALLAH FROWNS ON THOSE WHO ABSTAIN FROM HAVING SEX WITH THEIR SLAVE GIRLS
( Surah No. 66 AT- TAHRIM )
CONTEXT OF THE SURAH **It was Hafsa's turn to sleep with the Prophet .. Her maid Maria Quptia ( a gift from King of Alexandria) was also in her room when prophet walked in.. Maria was a very attractive and voluptuous young teenager.. She aroused carnal desires in any man who looked at her; then our Prophet was not any man, he was endowed with 30 man libido* by Allah. .Narrated Qatada:" Prophet was given the sexual strength of thirty men"To be alone with Maria, Prophet sent Hafsa to her Dad's house with a phony excuse that Umar wanted to see her.UMAR WAS AWAY PERFORMING SUNNAUmar was not home, when Hafsa reached her Dad's place few houses down the street.Hafsa: "Mom Where is Dad"?Mother: "He has gone to the Al Manasi field near Baqia to defecate"...Hafsa: "Why doesn't he go to the field behind our house"..Mother: "Because it is a sunna to relieve yourself at the place where Prophet relieves himself"..Hafsa: "I will wait for him" .Mother :"It may be a long wait. He hides there afterwards to spy on prophet's wives".Hafbsa: "Spy on prophet's wives, what for"? .Mother "To make sure they are veiled according to aya 33.59 when they come to relieve themselves. As you know this aya was sent* by Allah at your Dad's request".Narrated 'Aisha:(the wife of the Prophet) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to say to Allah's Apostle "Let your wives be veiled" But he did not do so. The wives of the Prophet used to go out to answer the call of nature at night only at Al-Manasi.' Once Sauda, the daughter of Zam'a went out and she was a tall woman. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab saw her while she was (defecating) in a group, and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda!" He ('Umar) said so as he was anxious for some Divine orders regarding the veil (the veiling of women.) So Allah revealed the verse of veiling 33.59. (Al-Hijab; a complete body cover excluding the eyes). (See Hadith No. 148, Vol. 1)Narrated 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab): Allah agreed with me on three things and revealed ayas, one of them wasthe verse of the veiling of the women (33.59) ..Hafsa: "Well I cant wait that long. It is my turn with Prophet , he must be in bed waiting for me".PROPHET IN BED BUT NOT WAITINGWhen Hafsa returned, she found Preophet in bed but not waiting. He was in action with her maid Maria. Hafsa was outraged (she had a temper of her Dad Umar) and started hollering at him.Hafsa: "Rasulullah you lied and and deceived me to screw my maid"?.Prophet:" Hafsa mind your language. Aya 33.32* says you should talk to Allah's Prophet in an a honorable manner".* 33.32 "O wives of the Prophet! Speak to the prophet in an honorable manner"..Hafsa: "I will speak honorably to the prophet when the Prophet stops acting dishonorably himself".Prophet: "Having sex with slave girls is not dishonorable. Allah has made* them halal for me".*33.50 "Mohammed , sex with slave girls and captured women is halal for you*Hafsa:" I don't give a rat's behind who is is halal for you and who is is not .. You can have sex with a she camel for all I care. But I don't want it in my bed and on my night".Prophet: "Hafsa ,calm down. I will tell you something. If you keep this incident a secret between you and me and don't tell any one, I take an oath that I will never touch Maria again. And Please cool down first . Go have a drink of cold water....Hafsa: " O.K. I have to go pee also...AYA 66.1 AND 66.2 REVEALEDHafsa returned after a short while and found her husband again in bed with Maria.Hafsa: "Rasulullah, You have a short memory. You had just said you will not touch her again".Prophet: "Yes I did, but Allah revealed aya 66.1 after you left, it says "Mohammed why do you forbid yourself what Allah has made lawful to you just to please your wife"Hafsa: "What about the oath you took."Prophet:: "Allah dissolved my oath" by aya 66.2 which says Allah has ordained for you the dissolution of your oath. And Allah is your Maula".ALLAH SPIED FOR THE PROPHETNext morning when Prophet returned from Fajr prayer, his wives gave him dirty looks and a silent treatment instead of happily greeting him like every day... As smart as our prophet was, he knew right away that Hafsa, had ratted and had divulged last night's incident to all other wives who incidentally hated Maria for her beauty and prophet's fondness for her.. Prophet was pissed off and rushed into Hafsa's room: "When I told you to keep last night's incident with Maria a secret to yourself, I trusted you; why did you spread it"? .Hafsa: "Who informed you that I spread it"?Prophet : "Allah informed* me":* 66.3 "The prophet had trusted one of his wives with a certain incident, then she spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then told his wife,she asked him, "Who informed you of this?" He said, "I was informed by Allah".Hafsa started trembling with fear. She had no idea Allah spied for the prophet and tattletaled to him his wives private talks and gossips.MISBEHAVING WIVES WILL BURN IN HELL FIREAngry Prophet then gathered all his resentful wives and conveyed the following chilling message from Allah to them which had just arrived.66.5 "If Mohammed divorced you all, Allah will give him in exchange wives better than you who are submissive and devout".That message was a death sentence to the scared wives. A divorce meant starving to death since no body was allowed to marry Prophet's wife according to an earlier aya...Prophet continued:66.10,11 " On one hand wives of Allah's prophets Noah and Lut misbehaved with their husbands and they were put in hell fire. On the other hand wife of the kafir Pharoah was well behaved and she was awarded paradise"..ONE MONTH BREAK EXCLUSIVELY WITH MARIAAll the wives started wailing. Starving to death was one thing ; burning in hellfire for ever was something else.They grabbed his feet and begged him for mercy. The merciful prophet then took pity on them and decided to apply abstention clause of aya 4.34 (abstaining from sex with wives as a disciplinary action ) He could have divorced them like Allah suggested or beaten them under scouging clause of aya 4.34 .(Here are the specifications for wife beating for our momin brothers who practice it or intend to practice it):He stayed away from all his wives for a month* and slept exclusively with Maria to humiliate them further and make them jealous .* Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:"The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to 'Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him for his oath that he would not approach Maria".Allah also decided to pitch-in in the misery of Prophet"s wives by making Maria pregnant with a baby boy ( Ibrahim), something Mo desired most and which could not be delivered by any of the nine resident wives.** Note: Several embarrassed sahabis made false hadiths later about this sura to protect good name of Mohammed. They fabricated the story and said it was honey and not Maria which prophet took an oath to abstain from . That is ridiculous and does not make any sense. Here is what Ibn Saad wrote in "Tabaqat""Waqidi has informed us that Abu Bakr has narrated that the messenger of Allah (PBUH) had sexual intercourse with Maria in the house of Hafsa.. She told the prophet, O Messenger of Allah, do you do this in my house and during my turn? The messenger said, control yourself and let me go because I make her haram to me. Hafsa said, I do not accept, unless you swear for me. That Hazrat (his holiness) said, by Allah I will not contact her again [Tabaqat v. 8 p. 223 Publisher Entesharat-e Farhang va Andisheh Tehran 1382 solar h ( 2003) Translator Dr. Mohammad Mahdavi Damghani]
2012/3/11 Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
Veiling of women or 'purdah' system has always been associated with upper class from the beginning of civilization everywhere in the world. It is funny that the Islamists politics is claiming it to be a paradigmatic Islamic dress code. Other than bland, mildly toned general advice to women on modesty, the Qur'an surprisingly says nothing about mandating hijab or niqab for women. That rogue, Abul Ala Moududi, the father of modern Islamic fundamentalism, was quite annoyed at the fact that the Qur'an does not mandate hijab.
It is said that the Bedouin society in Arabia, where Jews, Christians and Muslims, men and women, wore dresses covering their heads, they did not practice 'purdah' in the way we know it now, and that it was imported from the more cosmopolitan Sassanians as a status symbol for women by the fledgling Muslim community.
Anyway, you can see it in the women of Bangali society of all religions -- lower class working women have more freedom of movement than the middle caste or class. In our warm and humid climate, an extra item of clothing is burdensome and uncomfortable, not always desirable by choice.
[I have an article on the subject where I analyze the verses in the Qur'an pertaining to women and hijab, published in 2004 both in Dhaka and Pakistan, blogged in numerous sites and is archived in Islamic Research Foundation Information]
Farida Majid
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
From: subimal@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:40:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
I read somewhere (maybe K, Armstrong) that veil was a sign of aristocracy and that's why prophet's wives and other women had to wear it. I believe every sura has to be analyzed in the light of the given context.
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The 'wahi' on the imposition of 'Burkha' came to Umar (RA), not to the prophet (pbuh).
>>>>>>> You are wrong AGAIN! Get a grip on yourself.....
"O; Prophet (Muhammad)! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go outside)........
[ Source: Al Qur'an 33:59 ]
For basic info on this topic, click on the link below..
By: Prof. Maqsood Jafri
Shalom!
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From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:10 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Burqa banning after RAJUK, now Syedpur's Lions school and college: Minority Islam in Muslim majority Bangladesh
The 'wahi' on the imposition of 'Burkha' came to Umar (RA), not to the prophet (pbuh). Across the history of Islam, the use of burkha or other versions of purdah by Muslim women was never universal.
2012/3/8 Nayan Khan <udarakash08@yahoo.com>
What is going on in Bangladesh one after another?
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