Dear Moderator - I have been invited to be crass.
I have tried to be moderately so. Please allow. Ezajur
We're three Awami Leaguers, sniggering in a tree
We don't mention our party, coz we are shubidabadee.
We never, ever talk about what happened today
because intellectuals like us only think about yesterday.
Nepotism, murder, incompetence or corruption,
lying, cheating, bluffing, robbing or extortion…
when our party is in power everything is tolerable
or reasonable or understandable or just plain regrettable.
I think mimicry is argument, I'm Smarmy Git.
I never hold my party accountable, I'm Shameless Hypocite.
I never argue with anyone, I'm Mute Dummy.
And we never complain about our Nethri - she's our Mummy.
But though we are silent how we love to smirk
when our cadres and mastans do our dirty work.
We say dynasty is inevitable so we never complain
but we wet ourselves quietly when Rehana stepped off the plane.
Today they showed our cadres on tv with a smoking gun
but we only ever talk about what Jamaat has done.
We don't need change as long as we have a barking Motia
and our cadres are willing to crack the skull of any chu....
From: Robin Khundkar
Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hoodbhoy: India-Pakistan -- How to become "normal neighbors"
Hippy eh..... Hahaha. Kuwaiti Bongo Man! Big Chief Sits Most High!
BTW check out Kando Bongo Man. Saw him twice in concert. Hope U can dance like him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDCKPhl67w
Saw him twice in concert. he is awsome
-----Original Message-----
From: ezajur
Sent: May 15, 2012 8:41 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hoodbhoy: India-Pakistan -- How to become "normal neighbors"
Sir, none of what you or the hippy say touches on the subject of the negotiating skills of Bangladeshi officals and leaders.
AL may indeed get more from India than BNP but based on what we have seen that is of little comfort to anyone but blind AL supporters.
Pakistan is indeed falling apart but at least they can point to a lot of awful causes. Their officials will still be taken more seriously in Delhi than ours.
Pakistan sold to China means Pakistan has a difficult position in Delhi. Bangladesh sold to India means Bangladesh continues its traditional position in Delhi of being the neighbourhood behaiya.
Robin, I'm not 'da man' to anyone who demands reform in AL and BNP. But to biased hypocrites who pretend to be neutral, like you, I surely am, most definitely, 'da man'.
Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hoodbhoy: India-Pakistan -- How to become "normal neighbors"
DA Kuwaiti Bongo Man should be the chief "jack" of all the worldwide Bongo Bhais. His negotiating skills, tact are exquisite. He knows it all. He DA MAN
-----Original Message-----
From: Shah Deeldar
Sent: May 14, 2012 7:29 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Hoodbhoy: India-Pakistan -- How to become "normal neighbors"
Sir, Pakistan is basically on its knees and Indians know that very well. The country is in the process of being sold to China. If I would speak frankly, AL got far more clout on Indians than any of our pro Pakistani parties. If we see ever BNP comes to the power, the Indians will take an about turn from all treaties. That beast would be tough to beat with the religious business of BNP/Jamat. On top of that, US will be breathing on our neck for any party creating another Banglabhai monster. Watch out for fire works, brother!
-SD
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ezajur" <Ezajur@...> wrote:
>
> Huh! We don't know jack about how to negotiate with India or anyone else for that matter. For a start, the Indians will take Pakistani officials more seriously than Bangladeshi officials. Pakistani officals will have a better command of the facts, better experience in negotiations and a better sense of purpose.
>
> Farida should use her AL links to advise the Bangladeshi government first, get some success and then presume to advise the Pakistanis.
>
> Sediment control! Ha! First, don't be so desperate for Indian awards, stand up for citizens shot at the border and develop real political talent.
>
> And then you can pretend that Bangladeshi politicans know how to spell 'sediment'.
>
>
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Farida Majid <farida_majid@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We in Bangladesh know a thing or two about the difficulty of talking about water with India. The good advice Hoodbhoy suggests to his countrymen applies to Bangladeshi officials too when they talk to Indians about river-water sharing. I would venture to add another tip to the Pakistani water negotiators with India. When faced with an impasse, please do not hesitate to ask: After all the hogging of the downstream flow, cheating, lying and breaking promises of release of water to your neighbor, how have you benefited your own people and improved your own country's overall water management in the last 60 years?
> >
> > << Second, let them talk about water - seriously. But please have the
> > Pakistani side well-prepared for solid technical discussions. This means
> > having real experts with facts at their fingertips. They must know
> > about spillway design, sediment control, DSLs, drawdowns, sluicing, etc.
> > I have seen too many duffers represent our side at Pakistan-India
> > meetings where water inevitably comes up. Their lack of knowledge
> > becomes painfully apparent and the Indians start smirking. >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =======================================
> >
> > 1. WHEN MANMOHAN SINGH COMES TO ISLAMABAD
> >
> > by Pervez Hoodbhoy
> >
> > =======================================
> >
> > (The Express Tribune, April 15, 2012)
> >
> >
> >
> > The coincidence between President Asif Ali Zardari's sprint to Delhi
> > last week, and the $10 million head-money on Hafiz Saeed announced by
> > the US could be purely accidental. But this action certainly refocused
> > Indian attention on the alleged Mumbai attack planner, who heads the
> > pantheon of jihadi "heroes" that now freely parades across Pakistan. In
> > such circumstances, holding the olive branch before PM Manmohan Singh
> > surely required guts. The scepticism to Zardari in India was, of course,
> > predictable.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is easy to pooh-pooh the visit. Mr Zardari is not a popular president
> > or a clean one, and the PPP is unlikely to survive the elections
> > scheduled in a few months from now. Plus, he wields no power on issues
> > that India considers critical: nuclear weapons, Kashmir, and
> > Afghanistan. Most importantly, he can do nothing to rein in the
> > anti-India jihadist network, a matter that belongs squarely to the
> > army's domain. Moving against Hafiz Saeed is not an option. Zardari
> > cannot forget Memogate - which he somehow survived but Ambassador Husain
> > Haqqani did not.
> >
> >
> >
> > And yet, a weak and embattled government did something refreshingly good
> > for the country. According India, the MFN status for trade and related
> > commercial activity is sure to be a game-changer that could bring peace
> > and prosperity to the region.Ignoring the angry howls of the
> > Difah-e-Pakistan crowd, the government for once listened to the
> > country's majority - most Pakistanis do want trade with India even
> > though they consider it a threat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Still better news is that the Zardari-Singh joint communique says
> > "practical, pragmatic" solutions will be sought for disputes. Showing
> > his willingness to put Mumbai 2008 on the back-burner, Singh accepted
> > Zardari's invitation to Islamabad. This is exactly the way it should be;
> > frequent high-level meetings are the best confidence-building measures.
> >
> >
> >
> > But what should the two sides talk about? Surely, there are many issues
> > but here are the top five on which progress is both necessary and, more
> > importantly, possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > First, let both countries agree to immediately vacate the killing ice
> > fields of Siachen. This insane war at 22,000 feet has claimed hundreds
> > of lives on both sides; 138 Pakistani soldiers and civilian contractors
> > are still being searched for after a mountain of snow crashed on them
> > last week. Maintaining control over a system of Himalayan glaciers has
> > come at a dreadful cost to human lives and resources, and has also
> > irreversibly polluted a pristinely pure environment. But to what end?
> > There are no minerals in Siachen; not even a blade of grass can grow
> > there. This is just a stupid battle between two monster-sized national
> > egos.
> >
> >
> >
> > Second, let them talk about water - seriously. But please have the
> > Pakistani side well-prepared for solid technical discussions. This means
> > having real experts with facts at their fingertips. They must know
> > about spillway design, sediment control, DSLs, drawdowns, sluicing, etc.
> > I have seen too many duffers represent our side at Pakistan-India
> > meetings where water inevitably comes up. Their lack of knowledge
> > becomes painfully apparent and the Indians start smirking.
> >
> >
> >
> > In water matters geography has favoured India; every upper riparian
> > state can control outflows and India could be potentially unfair to
> > Pakistan. But, although there are frequent allegations to this effect,
> > are they really correct? The Indus Waters Treaty, negotiated in 1960,
> > has so far kept matters on an even keel; neutral experts have
> > adjudicated complaints received from Pakistan. Water has therefore not
> > been a strong reason for war until now. But this stability may be
> > drawing to an end because both countries - Pakistan more so than India -
> > are becoming water stressed. Rising populations would strain resources
> > even if the other country did not exist. Therefore, sensible and
> > well-informed high-level discussions are critical.
> >
> >
> >
> > Third, do away with the absurd and provocative daily flag ceremonies at
> > Wagah. Instead, let the leaders talk about how ordinary people can
> > travel more easily across the border. This is a natural right, and a
> > step towards real peace. If you travel to the other side and see that
> > people there have greater likeliness to you than anywhere else in the
> > world, the urge to go to war diminishes. Yet, for a Pakistani to get an
> > Indian visa, or an Indian to get a Pakistani one, is presently an
> > ordeal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fourth, Pakistan and India have technical issues regarding trade and
> > transit rights that need discussion. Although Pakistan has finally
> > granted MFN status to India, the real dividend will come if non-tariff
> > barriers are removed and bank transfers are allowed. There are estimates
> > that Pakistan-India trade could rise to an awesome $8 billion per year.
> > To achieve this goal, the onus lies on India.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fifth: let them talk about exchanging academics, both teachers and
> > students, between the two countries. Pakistan is starved of good
> > teachers in almost every field, especially at the higher levels of
> > education. The Higher Education Commission's plan to bring in university
> > teachers from overseas has flopped. A breakthrough is only possible if
> > Indian teachers could be brought to Pakistan. Indians would find it
> > easier to adapt to local ways and customs than others. Plus, they would
> > have smaller salary expectations than most others. The huge pool of
> > strong Indian candidates could be used to Pakistan's advantage - we
> > could pick the best teachers and researchers, and those most likely to
> > make a positive impact on our system.
> >
> >
> >
> > The above list has two deliberate omissions. The first is terrorism,
> > which will displease the Indian side. But this matter lies beyond what
> > any elected national leader in Pakistan can do; basically it is for the
> > Pakistan Army to rethink its goals. In all likelihood, change will only
> > come when the internal costs of maintaining strategic jihadist assets
> > become too large. The present informal truce is unlikely to last
> > forever, and jihadists could be attacking their handlers once again in
> > the not-too-distant future.
> >
> >
> >
> > The second omission is Kashmir, which displeases the Pakistani side.
> > But, given the tortured history of Pakistan-India conflict on this
> > conflict, it is difficult to imagine that progress is possible.
> > Pragmatism therefore requires keeping the conflict on the backburner
> > instead of demanding an instant solution. For now, it is more important
> > that Pakistan and India become normal neighbours and deal with their
> > disputes reasonably.
> >
> >
> >
> > =======================================
> >
>
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