By the same token, many idiots have taken over our academia without the adequate knowledge and qualifications. For these people, references and quotes are the last resort to hold on to their precious positions as an 'unintelligent' person would hire a money manager to manage his/her money. You pin down these creatures for their stupidity, they throw a book towards you. You ask them more questions, they get annoyed and tell you read the book. You read the book and you do not get the answer but get into different questions.
What a waste of resource and time!
-SD
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
What a waste of resource and time!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
That, my dear fool, was a comment made made in the Time magazine years earlier. All you need is money to invest, the intelligence part would be taken care of by your agent.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Many otherwise unintelligent persons have made millions in the share market."This another blanket statement from a man, who probably never invested a single penny in the market? No, dear, to make money in the current market you need to be pretty savvy and intelligent. A monkey can win few times lottery but would not be able to amass millions. Making money in the market requires knowledge, intelligence and timing unless you hire somebody else to do the job. Otherwise every Joe and Smoe would be millionaires.
-SD"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
A few Stanford Ph.D. holders, in my knowledge, ended up selling perfumes in Hong Kong. Many otherwise unintelligent persons have made millions in the share market. Robert Maxwell went to America sharing a ship deck with sheep. He made so much money trading coffee that he bought a few ships afterwards. Availing financial opportunity is no indication of smartness. For every such opportunity availed, there is a scarcity elsewhere. Not U.S. alone is a land of opportunities; think of Tanvir Mahmud, an aluminum utensil vendor in Bangladesh, who 'borrowed' the equivalent of fifty billion dollars and became rich beyond imagination.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:About a day or two ago, Dr. Jiten Roy said that he came to America with only $20 in his pocket and the land of opportunity has placed him where he is now. Maybe he now owns $20 million. As far as I know, any student of Physics who came to America for higher studies came with a job (assistant ship) in hand. Some students even got the plane fare from the university. But think about the student who came to Dhaka university with 20 taka in hand and graduated with a good degree that helped him come to America. I know many Ph.Ds from good schools in America who are not doing "proper" jobs. I cannot say that those who are not getting jobs despite having good degrees are less smart.I hope nobody misunderstood me. No doubt this is a land of freedom and opportunities.From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
There is nobody else with the very same name as mine. You should very well know where I come from, your origin being the same place. Being a new convert you are expected to display more loyalty but having your trust in it is a different matter. If the US-University system is among the great things in your opinion, you are unaware of it's history even sixty years ago. Even the Ivy Leaguers were way behind the European ones.
The world would be much better off without the U. S. help and their intervention.On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
Let me explain my problem with most of your comments, they are usually 1 – 2 liners. So, usually, we have to guess what you mean. I am glad that you clarified your political bent. I believe, most people in this forum support democratic platform. That's fine with me. Political talks in this forum is meaningless. I can give hundred reasons why I support other party, but - nobody will change their mind. Then what's the point. So, let's stay away from politics.The other issue you raised is interesting. You said you are staying away from US pressure-cooker society. I am not sure what that means. As far as I know, a substantial part of your life has been spent in the USA; you received higher education here, and worked here until retirement. Now, you feel US society is a pressure-cooker, and you live outside. It will be interesting if you care to explain a bit more on this, because I also think this society is moving away from the traditional values that made this country great. I do not like what I see recently.You said that USA arranged and/or sat back while Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor, so that they can bomb Japan into Stone Age. It is apparent from your statements that – you are a contrarian, and believe in the conspiracy theories. You probably also believe 9/11 was planned by George Bush administration so they can attack Afghanistan and Iraq. My wife told me yesterday – she heard that - the infamous film was funded by middle-eastern money to spark the violence against the USA. All these are a bit nutty to me, to put it mildly. Then again, what do I know about the truth? After all, human-beings are the most dangerous animals on the planet.Jiten Roy--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.comDate: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:56 PMYou seem overwhelmed with emotion. I am not a Democratic voter, I do not even reside in that pressure cooker society called the U. S. A. It's not unlikely for the U. S. agents to pull strings to stage such event as happened in Benghazi to raise the popularity of an incumbent U. S. President in the election year. Remember, even the Pearl Harbor bombing was allowed to happen. Hawaii is less an American island than Japanese; Of fifty states, nothing more than thirteen colonies should be legitimately claimed by the U. S. A.On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh, I see - if it is typical Republican response, it does not count. I forgot about that.Can I accuse you as a brainwashed Democrat to dismiss everything you say?Actually, I won't. I know everything you say, you mean it. And, I hope, you will believe that in my case also. I did not hide my political bent; it's not a secret. You and Dr. Jafforullah must know that.Jiten Roy--- On Wed, 9/12/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Re: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 9:39 PMDr. Roy's response is typically republican.On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jaffor <jaffor@gmail.com> wrote:Dr. Jiten Roy could do himself a big favor by acquiring knowledge before posting his remarks here in M-M forum. Yes, this is not the first time that a U.S. ambassador was killed in a foreign land by terrorists in the line of duty. Francis E. Meloy, Jr. the U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was assassinated in 1976. There may be another one or two American ambassadors who were killed abroad while serving our nation. And he should not try to blame the killing on the liberal Democratic president. Lest he is losing his mind, Obama kept our forces miles away from Libya when people over there waged a civil war to topple Muamar Gadhafi. Many Republican Senators and Congressmen including John McCain had advocated sending troops to Libya. But Obama very cleverly avoided the direct involvement. Historically, Republicans take the nation to war. And the "Liberal" Democrats end the war. Examples are aplenty. The Korean War was ushered in by Dwight Eisenhower; Nixon escalated the Vietnam War by bombing Cambodia and Laos even though he did not start that War. I won't even mention GWB and RC's tireless effort to start 2 wars in Western Asia during 2001 and 2003. Dr. Roy should not be so trigger happy to post his comments in this forum. The more he opens his mouth, the more he reveals his ignorance and shallow mindedness about world affairs. Let us all agree that it is a sad day for the world. Needlessly, a diplomat had to lose his life. Lastly, Dr. Roy should not make the forum muddy by posting his partisan comments such as Obama's liberal policy has made this wanton killing possible. --- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@...> wrote:>> Obama response is tepid and insincere.  Hillary response is nonsensical. Our spineless liberal administration is up to no good. This inept administration can’t handle anything, be that domestic or foreign. Embassy is US property, and an attack on that property on 9/11 by foreigners is nothing but another 9/11. You are so right. It’s not an accident that â€" they chose this day to attack US embassy to protest for a U-tube video, and kill US Ambassador. I don’t know if ever before an US Ambassador got killed in a foreign country.  > - JR  > > --- On Wed, 9/12/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:> > > From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...>> Subject: [mukto-mona] Obama vows justice for killed US envoy> To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 2:54 PM> > >> Â> > > > > > Is this another 9/11 anniversary? They have killed a friend and good man! I do not think a video film is the only cause for such outrage.> > -SD> > Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy> >> US President Barack Obama: "There is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence"> > > US President Barack Obama has vowed to bring to justice the killers of the US ambassador to Libya during protests against a film that mocks Islam. > But he told reporters that the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.> Mitt Romney, Mr Obama's political foe, criticised his handling of the crisis. > Ambassador J Christopher Stevens reportedly died of smoke inhalation after a crowd stormed the consulate.> > Three other Americans were also killed and the consulate set ablaze. > Rocket-propelled grenades were reportedly fired during the assault on Tuesday night. > Charred vehicles could be seen parked near the damaged buildings on Wednesday.> A US marine anti-terrorism team is being sent to Libya to bolster security after the attack, a US defence source told reporters in Washington.> Protesters against the film attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.> In other developments on Wednesday: > > Nigeria placed its police force on red alert to guard against attacks related to the controversial film> The US embassy in Algiers warned Americans in Algeria to avoid non-essential travel amid calls for protests on social media > > Tunisian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the air to disperse a protest by several hundred people near the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, Tunis, as they chanted slogans including "Obama, Obama, we are here for the triumph of Islam", Reuters reports > > Demonstrations were reported outside the US embassy in the Sudanese capital Khartoum and the US consulate in Casablanca, Morocco, as well as outside the UN offices in the Gaza Strip > > The Afghan government ordered a block on Youtube until the offending film was removed but the site was still visible to internet users in Kabul'Especially tragic' > Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters: "Make no mistake. Justice will be done." > He said he condemned "in the strongest possible terms the outrageous and shocking" attack.> > > Analysis> Jonathan Marcus BBC Diplomatic Correspondent > The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, along with three other US embassy staff, raises a host of questions about security, the prevalence of armed militias in the country and the whole trajectory of Libya's democratic project. > The Obama administration in Washington will want answers from the Libyan government about the scale of the security measures in place at its consulate in Benghazi and how demonstrators were able to get into the building. > More broadly the ambassador's death highlights the continuing instability in Libya as the country struggles to establish security and the rule of law. > The country is awash with weapons and armed militias - some of a salafist or extreme Islamic fundamentalist outlook - hold sway in many areas. > "It is especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save," he added, praising the dead ambassador for his work in Libya after the overthrow of the late Col Muammar Gaddafi.> Reports say a militia known as the Ansar al-Sharia brigade was involved in the attack, but the group has denied the claim, the BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says. > Ambassador Stevens and his staff went to the consulate in an attempt to evacuate the site after it was attacked, the Associated Press news agency said.> The building apparently came under attack by a crowd armed with guns and rocket-propelled grenades. > The Libyan doctor who treated Mr Stevens in hospital said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke inhalation, with no other injuries> Dr Ziad Abu Zeid, who told AP he tried for 90 minutes to revive him, said Mr Stevens was the only American brought into the Benghazi Medical Centre and initially nobody realised he was the ambassador. > > > US media reaction> Time correspondent Ashraf Khalil describes the scene on the ground in Egypt and concludes the reaction to the film was "essentially a case of an American group of fringe Christian fundamentalists successfully provoking and enraging a similar group of fringe Muslim fundamentalists". > ABC's Jake Tapper explains the chronology of events in Egypt and Libya as the Romney campaign accused the White House on Tuesday of being sympathetic with those who waged the attacks. > NBC calls Mr Romney's criticism of the Obama administration "one of the most over-the-top and incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign". > In the International Herald Tribune, Harvey Morris shares Christopher Stevens' recent emails with him about his hopes for Libya.> Libya's interim leader, Mohammed Magarief, apologised to the US over the killings, which he called "cowardly criminal acts". > Libya's deputy envoy to the UN, Ibrahim Dabashi, told the UN Security Council that his government was carrying out an investigation but he admitted it did not control all of Libya's territory.> "We cannot understand how this group, or these persons, could have eliminated such a wonderful person," he said. > Both UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council condemned the attack.> Mr Romney, Mr Obama's Republican challenger in this November's presidential election, said the Obama administration had appeared to "sympathise with those who waged the attacks" in Benghazi and Cairo.> Mr Obama's team, he said, had sent "mixed signals to the world" in the face of violence.Safety concerns> UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he had sent condolences to President Obama and that he expected the new Libyan authorities to "do all in their power... to bring the killers to justice".> Continue reading the main story > US ambassadors killed in line of duty> > John Gordon Mein - Guatemala, 1968: Shot dead by rebels who ambushed his car> Cleo A Noel Jr - Sudan, 1973: Shot dead along with senior US and Belgian diplomats by Palestinian militants, after being taken hostage in Saudi embassy > Rodger P Davies - Cyprus, 1974: Killed by sniper gunfire during a protest at US embassy by Greek Cypriots> Francis E Meloy Jr - Lebanon, 1976: Kidnapped and shot dead by Palestinian militants in Beirut with another senior US official > Adolph Dubs - Afghanistan, 1979: Killed in exchange of fire after Afghan and Soviet forces tried to free him from kidnappers in hotel> Our correspondent says many people in Libya are still armed following the conflict that overthrew Gaddafi. > Analysts say the attack will raise serious new concerns about stability in the country and the ability of the new Libyan administration to maintain security. > In June, two British bodyguards were injured in an attack in Benghazi on a convoy carrying the British ambassador to Libya. Red Cross and UN staff also came under attack this year.> Correspondents say the film at the heart of the row, which appeared on Youtube translated into Arabic, is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims. > An Islamic tenet bans the portrayal of the Prophet Muhammad.> Cartoons featuring the founder of Islam sparked violent unrest among Muslims in 2005 when they were published by a Danish newspaper.> > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19577913> Â> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS>
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