Now, you are seeing the point that just peer review doesn't improve the quality of any publication, be it a book or a research article, contradicting your earlier assertion. That book, in spite of being 'merely his opinion' is in the best seller list for over two decades, and does not need appraisal from a 'wise' man of your variety. A person who can't find something on the net in spite of repeated reference should not participate in any discussion. He also refrain from vituperative comments to expose his ignorance on most things.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Needless to say that I have also published in many peer reviewed journals. So, I would not take your BS that the book is really peer reviewed like one that you are talking about. The author may have given it to his friends to look at it but that does not mean it was peer reviewed. That book is merely his/her opinion. Do you understand?
Do you know how scientific papers are anonymously reviewed by two to three referees? You can publish thousands books from your basement but that does not mean you are peer reviewed. Even a scientific review article is not peer reviewed. Most of the time, it is the editor, who looks through it and prints it for the public. It is never too late to learn some hard facts about scientific publication policy of our time! Books are not peer reviewed, period!If you believe in such BS, tell me what methodology did he use? How these experiments were done? Just make my day Professor!!! I dare you that you would not be able find any methodology in that fictional book. Take my challenge!
"The key finding in that book, and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart. "
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBSSent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
I have given the key finding before, and you did not comprehend it. Peer reviewed scientific study, may be better in your opinion, being foolish enough not to know that no book gets published without being reviewed by peers. I have published a few scientific papers in the western world myself. I don't need a lecture from any one like you on matters involving scientific mind who defends murder against rape. The key finding in that book, and elsewhere also, is that no male would sustain his erection without signal to trigger it from his counterpart. Apparently, you don't even have the ability to search the relevant articles on the net, which is easier than looking for it elsewhere.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:A book of 100 or 1000 pages does not prove anything but a peer reviewed scientific study does. You sound like another Rahman or Hannan who rather carry a religious book and find all their answers in that book. At least, they know all the words in that book. Do you see the problem?
It is a great shame that you can't even quote the key findings in that book. And, you call yourself a scientific mind?
You have a tendency to get into many discussions and throw some books for the forum people to read while you, yourself not knowing fully the contents of those books. Who would you like to impress with such shallow one or two liners?
-SD"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBSSent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
The book is a short one, would need a little over an hour to read, and is available on the net. A point proved over hundred pages can not be presented by a few lines. You seem to lack that comprehension. You would not find me bright, may be because I am not so, and their might be other reasons too, like you have lost your eyesight if you ever had any. Their are other observations by reputed authors on the subject of rape or sex(which by the way are very different subjects) between opposite genders. A classic allegation was made by Julekha against Yusuf/Joseph. Luckily he could present a shirt to prove that the lady was the real attacker. Other accused are not so fortunate.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:"In this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner."Any legal means in a patriarchal country like Turkey, where rape is still a family shame and taboo? You have lost your mind. Besides, the lady might need four witnesses to testify about those rapes.
I do not know what kind of professor you are? I do not find you very bright.
If you want to cite some reference, cite some scientific findings and data. An opinion from some psychiatrist is not good enough. Besides, you are throwing a whole book for me to read and find me the answer. Why don't you exactly quote what this man has written? Tell me how he did his experiments? I do not think you are up to that task.
-SD"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBSSent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
"According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator?" This is a total misinterpretation. In this case, the 'victim' did not resort to any legal means, she silenced the 'predator' and does not deserve sympathy from any corner. The real story in a rape case is rarely exposed. Statistically, more 'rapes' are committed by acquaintances. If the first few go unreported, the instigation factor can not be ignored. It is apparent, whose argument is 'silly and stupid'. If someone does not care a professional psychiatrist or a best seller book, it is his problem, and he should look for a graceful exit before even advising others to do so.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:I think the bone of contention for this argument is whether a predator assaults his victims once or twice? According to Prof. Das's theory, a second assault would make things totally kosher because the female victim probably initiates that encounter? All of a sudden a victim becomes a predator? I think the argument is pretty silly and stupid!
-SD"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBSSent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 11:28 AM
Do you think I care who is professor and who is not? Some professorial positions/names do not cut with me, bro Please put some solid data to prove your point if you care. Show us some rape simulation data regarding what hormones or chemicals are being induced or secreted from the victims' brains in comparison to a normal intercourse. If you can't, please take a graceful exit from this discussion.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
If you cared to Google search on the title of the book, you would have found out that it's author, Dr. Herb Goldberg, was a Professor of Psychology at the California State University at L.A., not quite some unknown quantity.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Agree! A scientific paper/data/fact can be used as a reference and that would be totally kosher to me. But an opinion from some unknown quantity is totally worthless for any discussion.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
I have seen over and over people quote books and quotes from others to draw conclusions. There is nothing wrong about it. I have written about it before in this forum. That could be the starting point of our discussion. We should not stop there.There are thousands of instances where victims were drugged unconscious before rape. How did rapists do it? There was a story in this forum, where a Pakistani-man has raped about 60 women dead bodies in the morgue over a number of years. How did he do it? Dr. Das has initiated the discussion with his provocative quote.This is how I see it. Behind every written book (be that religious, social, political, or whatever) there is a writer. So, we should not take everything for granted just because we found it on a printed page. We should not let others manipulate our thinking. That's not Mukto-mona spirit. I need something new and unique from everybody, so I can learn from it. Let's bring it on.By the way, Dr. K. Das brings many unique topics and this one was not any different.
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 7:51 AM
Total BS! Only thing a predator needs is to have enough power (money, food and physical) over his/her victims.
An unwilling partner would not cause a penis to loose its erection. In such scenario, no victim would have carried children from the acts of rape.
I could careless about another person's idiotic wisdom about male's sexual organ. It reminds me congressman Akin's idiotic quote.
-SD
Austrian father accused of imprisoning and raping daughters over four decades
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/austrian-father-accused-imprisoning-daughters
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
Rape is ninety nine percent violence. No rapist can do it to the same 'victim' without her tacit approval. There is a famous book entitled, "The hazards in being born a male". In it their is a chapter, "The wisdom of Penis", where the author insists that the male organ would lose erection if the female partner lacks the wish.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not in the rape case, dear! I do deal with human brains every day. Trust me on that!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBSSent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
In sexual encounters among a man and a woman, the first signal is delivered by the female brain, the scientists say. I hate to deliver the details. Consider the brain as the most important organ in such encounters.
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
We know exactly how a guy can repetitively commit such crime in some remote villages of Turkey or Bangladesh. It is seldom that an woman would be found as the real sexual predator of such crime.-SD"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
If she had no wish to be 'violated', how could the guy repeat the offence? A murder might have been committed to eliminate the voice of the 'offender.On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am not a psychologist but I can understand her anger for being violated so many times. As we can guess, the subject being a taboo, she lost her mind and did not care whether she lives or die. She was not satisfied with a simple killing. She went all the way the to behead this guy and make her point! I bet the guy really tormented this innocent looking lady.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:47 AM
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
When state does not protect or defend your human rights, the victim may take law into her hands. By doing this the victim further endangers herself or himself. But it is good for the society as the society gets a jolt and makes it rethink about the laws it has.From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 6:29 AM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Turkish Abortion Debate Renewed After Nevin Yildirim Beheads Alleged Rapist
My comment: Good riddance! There is line people should not cross!-SDA 26-year-old Turkish woman, who was impregnated by her rapist, reportedly shot and beheaded her alleged attacker to protect her honor. The case has forced the country into a new round in the intensifying debate over abortion.Nevin Yildirim, a mother of two from Turkey's Yalvac district, faces charges of murder for the August killing of 35-year-old Nurettin Gider. Yildirim, according to CNN, is at least five months pregnant and claims she was rape-impregnated by Gider.Yildirim told police that Gider, a father of two who was married to her husband's aunt, first raped her in January, when her husband left town to work a seasonal job.Yildirim said Gider threatened to kill her children if she alerted anyone to the crime. The rapes allegedly continued over the course of the next several months and Gider reportedly threatened to publish photos he took of Yildirim's pregnant body if she did not do as he said, Turkish broadcaster DHA reported.On Aug. 28, Yildirim claims spotted Gider climbing up a wall behind her house and grabbed a rifle that was hanging on the wall."I knew he was going to rape me again," Yildirim said at an Aug. 30 preliminary hearing.Yildirim allegedly shot Gider twice and chased him from her property. She claimed in court he was armed at the time."He fell on the ground. He started cussing," she said. "I shot his sexual organ this time. He became quiet. I knew he was dead. I then cut his head off."Witnesses told police they saw Yildirim walk into the village square, carrying Gider's bloody head by his hair."Don't talk behind my back, don't play with my honor," Yildirim allegedly told witnesses in the square as she threw Gider's head to the ground. "Here is the head of the man who played with my honor."Authorities arrived on the scene shortly thereafter and Yildirim was taken into custody without incident."He kept saying that he would tell everyone [about the rape]," Yildirim told authorities, according to Doğan News Agency. "My daughter will start school this year. Everyone would have insulted my children. Now no one can.""I saved my honor," she added. "They will now call [her children] 'the kids of the women who saved her honor.'"According to CNN, Yildirim went to a health clinic for an abortion prior to the murder but was turned away because she was 14 weeks pregnant at the time. In Turkey, abortion is only permitted during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. Anything beyond that requires a special circumstance.Turkey's abortion debate has now been re-kindled as the public prosecutor's office considers Yildirim's request. Authorities are waiting for experts to weigh in on her mental stability."The extremity of Nevin's actions show the extent of the trauma the rape has caused," Dr. Gürsel Öztunalı Kayır, Foundation for Women's Solidarity, told International Business Times. "We shouldn't be distracted by the murder; if she wants to have an abortion following months of abuse, she should have the right."Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, however, considers abortion "murder" and wants the practice outlawed. Melih Gökçek, mayor of the capital, Ankara, supports the proposed ban, saying a mother who considers abortion should "kill herself instead and not let the child bear the brunt of her mistake," IBT reported.Women's groups in Turkey consider Yildirim a heroine. The case also resonates in the United States, where abortion remains a topic of heated debate."All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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