Re: [mukto-mona] FW: সর্বশক্তিমান আল্লাহ তায়ালায় বিশ্বাসবিহীন রাষ্ট্র গড়াই কি জাতীয় কবির স্বপ্ন ছিল?

You have not got my point. I know India has casteism, comuunalism, regionalism, male chauvinism, and so on. Does your racism cover all these? If it does, I don't have any question for you. Can you please send me a reference in support of your observation?

From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: সর্বশক্তিমান আল্লাহ তায়ালায় বিশ্বাসবিহীন রাষ্ট্র গড়াই কি জাতীয় কবির স্বপ্ন ছিল?

 

India is racist! I know India has untouchability problem but have never heard about her racism. 

>>>>>>>>> Well, it is not your fault. We the Muslims do not discuss it. Maybe it is our fault. Also Indian Muslims are very protective of India!! Which I always admire. They most often discuss their problems within themselves. . It is because of the fact that WB governments have always used the Muslim as the vote bank and have paid least attention to their socio-economic development vide Dr. Hussseinur Rahman's articles>>>>>>>>>> That is why during last election Muslims from West Bengal departed from their favorite political party (Congress) and voted from Trinomul and helped Mamata to get that seat. It did not make a huge differences because Mamata disappointed both Hindu and Muslim supporters with her dictatorial style of leadership. But in the long run, it is making political leaders aware of the fact it Muslim votes cannot be taken as a guaranteed thing. I sincerely hope Muslim of West Bengal will continue to vote based on their issues and forgo their sure vote bank for congress party. Despite being secular congress in West Bengal have not been fair to it's Muslim supporters.   Muslims are also to blame because of their affinity for backward madrasa education.>>>>>>>>>> Madrassa is another name for School. It became backward because we have not invested time or money in it to improve it. Sad truth is in Bangladesh all Bangla medium school are going to follow the fate of Madrassas. As political leaders are not interested in improving Bangla medium schools. So now a days University teachers do not send their kids to Bangla medium schools. Only very poor and desperate people send their kids to Bangla medium schools. The whole process of appointing teachers is VERY politicized and corrupt. So one has to pay political leaders 2-4 lac taka to get a job that pays 8-12 thousand taka per month. To be fair, our current education minister is trying his level best ( I like him) but he is not getting help. We are the ONLY country in the world that has Bangla as official language of the state. Still we are failing our history, tradition and our beloved language everyday. Here the atmosphere is good for takers, doers do not have much space given by political leaders. Because most political leaders (Of all parties) are barely literate. You and others have been criticizing madrassas without acknowledging the positive impacts it has on thousands of families and our nation. I am making you aware of our plight of Bangla medium schools, try to do something positive in that area. Most of you benefited from this poor country and left it when opportunity presented ( I am not against it). Now I like to see if some of you want to devote some time and money to improve the quality of Bangla education in few schools in Bangladesh.  Islamist attack in Bangladesh is not a myth. Recent attacks testify to that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think I ever said such a thing. However you may not know that, even Hefazat demanded an investigation of the incident and demanded a third party created a mess and burnt copies of holy Qur'an. Personally I do not care which party did this. However I will firmly support any initiative that punishes criminals who did this. To me interest of my country always comes before any political party. I was fortunate to have parents who loved this country and my teachers who also loved this country. I have not seen any logical reason to disrespect these people (And my country) who gave me so much. Shalom!

-----Original Message-----From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:55 pmSubject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: সর্বশক্তিমান আল্লাহ তায়ালায় বিশ্বাসবিহীন রাষ্ট্র গড়াই কি জাতীয় কবির স্বপ্ন ছিল?

 

India is racist! I know India has untouchability problem but have never heard about her racism. 

25% population has 2% jobs. That is right. It is because of the fact that WB governments have always used the Muslim as the vote bank and have paid least attention to their socio-economic development vide Dr. Hussseinur Rahman's articles. Muslims are also to blame because of their affinity for backward madrasa education.

Islamist attack in Bangladesh is not a myth. Recent attacks testify to that. 
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:30 PM, QR <qrahman@aim.com> wrote:

 

He wants to portray that Muslims are blatantly discriminated in India

>>>>>>>> Member Roy, it is has been shown in a report (NOT my report) that, India is one of the most racist place on earth. I know you have high opinion of India (And in some areas they deserve it) but when it comes to race relations and tolerance, they are not the best example. I am NOT trying to portray anything, it is there!! I am simply sharing it. The reports are done by specialists in these fields. One member Dev Shaha ( I think) asked for data. It was not my report. If there are any doubts, please consult the scholar who wrote that report. yet hardly any one from India wants to leave that hell, called India, for the neighboring Muslim majority heavens. In fact, Muslims from the neighboring Muslim majority heavens (Bangladesh and Pakistan) are entering illegally into the hell, called India, everyday.>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of people who want to leave India and leaving India. However it is a big country and it does not show up so easily. The data from west Bengal have been acknowledged by it's government. If you have 26% population and get around 2% of the jobs, how the hell that is fair? You can mock and dance around it as much as you want. You cannot and should not defend such abusive system. Bangladesh we are still evolving into democratic system. Without empowering local government and bold leadership from national level leaders, it will be difficult to make progress. Having said that, I would say majority of our population do not support any kind of religious discrimination. Over last twenty years majority of our people kept voting for strong leadership but have been disappointed most of the time. Every time there was any injustice majority population protested vigorously. Sadly the "Unity council" for minority rights have reduced themselves to supporter of one political party. They keep quiet when Rana plaza or Biswajit type incident take place. ONLY speak up when their voice can favor their political party. Even recently the lawlessness in Bangladesh have been promoted as some kind of " Islamist" attack on Hindus. While we know it has been unstable politics and careless police who should be blamed for it. WHY would supporters of BNP, Jammat and BAL parties are fighting each other around election time? Surely it is not motivated by religion. Any fool can see it is a political issue but my brothers do not hesitate to malign a religion for their own little political gain. In the process they sacrifice a lot of helpless minority Bangladeshis. This is the sad truth. Indian Muslims do face many problems but they are patriotic. I have seen many Muslims argue on India's behalf while their fellow Muslims are being persecuted in Kashmir, Gujurat, Aasam and other places. I admire their LOVE for India. Again do understand despite the race problem, India made progress in economy and it has mature democratic system. Which often works as a safeguard for all Indians. So it is OK to point out where India fails to deliver but that should not stop us from giving their credit where it is due. Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2013 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: সর্বশক্তিমান আল্লাহ তায়ালায় বিশ্বাসবিহীন রাষ্ট্র গড়াই কি জাতীয় কবির স্বপ্ন ছিল?

 

As I said before, views of Mr. QR are inconsistent, without sound logic. He wants to portray that Muslims are blatantly discriminated in India, yet hardly any one from India wants to leave that hell, called India, for the neighboring Muslim majority heavens. In fact, Muslims from the neighboring Muslim majority heavens (Bangladesh and Pakistan) are entering illegally into the hell, called India, everyday.  Muslim population in India is increasing at an alarming rate, while religious minorities in the neighboring Muslim majority heavens, called Bangladesh and Pakistan, are dwindling at an alarming rate. In my view, most of Mr. QR's arguments are silly, but - I find him as an accommodative personality, but confused due to his religious dogma.

 

Jiten Roy    

From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] FW: সর্বশক্তিমান আল্লাহ তায়ালায় বিশ্বাসবিহীন রাষ্ট্র গড়াই কি জাতীয় কবির স্বপ্ন ছিল?

 

This low life idiot QR  is making up stories.  He is, however, not good at it. Syed Mujtaba Ali left East Pakistan after a warrant of arrest was issued against him.  He served a few high Govt. Jobs in Delhi he did not like, came back to Calcutta and devoted to literary activities.  He used to be on the pay roll of the Ananda Bazar Group.  He was also a great cuisine, and served as consultant of international Hotels.  He himself never complained of his life in India.

If the Hindus were so bad to Muslims, as QR likes to portray, Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan would not have left Lahore for Calcutta.  Salim Ali and other members of aristocratic Muslim clans would have left for Pakistan.  Even the Nawab of Bhopal, whose eldest son was murdered in the riots before independence opted to remain in India. 

When Nawaz Sharif was overthrown, his son approached Prime Minister Bajpayee to save the life of his father.  Rich and poor, there are about two hundred million Muslims in India.  Not all of them are happy, but they are happier than their Muslim friends in erstwhile Pakistan. Likes of Mr. Rafiq Zakaria, father of Fareed Zakaria, even advocated India to conquer Pakistan militarily, but Nehru would have no carbuncle on his butts.

Nothing better than QR mind set is expected from the illegitimate children of the defunct Two Nation Theory.

2013/6/3 QR <qrahman@netscape.net>

 

Kazi Nazrul came to Bangladesh after having been supported by the Indian Government for over two and half decades.

>>>>>>>> Yeah, he was born in India. Indian government did not honor him properly thus the hellish condition. At the end of the day, he was a Muslim in India!!

Many other Muslims who devoted their lives to promote Bengali culture received similar "Neglet" from Hindus. Syed Mujtoba Ali is another person. Dr. Ali was educated in Shantiniketon and was a student of Rabindranath. He protested Pakistani regime and left his family to east Pakistan and went to India. Received awful treatment from Hindus and came back his senses (And returned to Bangladesh).

Bangladesh government did not best for Nazrul. Sheikh Mujibor Rahman himself had Dr. Nurul Islam treating the poet but it was too late. I can also tell all of you that, it was during Ershad when family of Nazrul Islam received a house from our government. It is NOT in Dhanmondi but in Banani. I know the details of it because the person who motivated Ershad is related to me. Nazrul's family still live in that house.

However Sri kamal Das Gupta was asked to give Examination by some BAL flavored idiot at Radio Bangladesh. Which is disgusting. Kamal Das Gupta is probably one of the most gifted musicians Bengal ever produced. It is a shame our politicized bureaucratic idiots dare to insult him at his old age.

Reminds me of the story when Ustad Faiyaz Khan was asked to sit for an exam for Radio India by similar low life idiot "Amla".

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>

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