Mr. Chakraborty Said: "Almost every hindu family has its one leg in Bangladesh and other one in India (I remember, by saying this in New York several years ago, Sheikh Hasina hurt the feelings of many hindu leaders although she did not say any thing wrong.)" Yes, Mr. Chakraborty, there are several things wrong with your statement and with the statement of Sheikh Hashina. The implied meaning of this term is that the allegiance of Hindus in Bangladesh is split with India. So, don't be so naive. Even the literal meaning is incorrect; only some affluent people may have resources to have properties in India, but most people cannot afford it. When they leave Bangladesh, they just pickup whatever they can and leave. From my village, at least 200 families have done just that, and I have seen their conditions in the West Bengal. They were pretty well to do when they were in Bangladesh, now many of them are destitute, and others are surviving day-by-day basis. They repent their decision everyday, and, many of them, want to come back, but can't. That's why Hindus protested Hashina's statement in New York. As far as, Hashina's comment - She took shelter in Kolkata, West Bengal, after 2001 election. Did she want that? No, but she had to do that for her survival. Remember - nobody likes to leave his/her motherland willingly. Many of the expatriate Hindu families, I have visited in the West Bengal, had tears on their eyes while discussing their childhood memories of Bangladesh. They all said - they left their minds in Bangladesh. They think about Bangladesh every moment. When a Muslim passes comment like this, I can understand his/her misunderstanding but, being a minority yourself, you should have no problem to understand the real meaning of the phrase. When I think about my own mental condition abroad, I see the same picture. I have everything here, yet - my mind is always wondering in Bangladesh. I can't help it. That's why - I talk about it all the time. I love Bangladesh more than anything else in the world. I am sure - you have the same feeling being abroad for so long. If you do, you should be able to understand how demeaning that statement is for the Hindus who are still in Bangladesh. Sheikh Hashina has many relatives outside Bangladesh. That does not mean she has less allegiance to Bangladesh. The same is true for Hindus whereever they may be. That's all you need to realize. Jiten Roy --- On Fri, 3/30/12, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2012, 8:57 PM
My experience is that religious hatred and harmony have been going on hand in hand in Bangladesh since long. Most of the time it is the vested interest groups who manufacture the communal conflicts. Bad politics plays a major role in this respect. During Pakistan period, any time the rulers felt the need for additional space and jobs for the muslims, they used to manufacture communal mayhem against Hindus. That worked well. After every major riot, Hindus left the country to take refuge in India. This is one of the major reasons why 30% has gone down to 10%. These major riots are in addition to the continual threats that weaker hindus feel or face from a handful of powerful and greedy muslims. This is very much felt in rural areas. I have seen affluent hindus moving to nearby towns for security. Almost every hindu family has its one leg in Bangladesh and other one in India (I remember, by saying this in New York several years ago, Sheikh Hasina hurt the feelings of many hindu leaders although she did not say any thing wrong.)
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh
generally do not like to ask direct questions in the second person in the public forum. But let me make an exception here. Were you asleep over the last 3-4 decades, Mr. Q. A. Rahman?
>>>>>>> Member Bain, Maybe you read TOO much into a simple question. I ONLY asked the question. I am aware of many problems in Bangladesh and it is not limited to minorities only. Powerless, poor Muslims also face oppression by powerful and corrupted people. We talk about politics, religion and secularism a LOT in this forum. Most member work under an assumption that, the religion of Islam is the main problem for all crimes committed against minorities in BD. As far as I know there are NO strong evidence to support any theory that, more secular leaning parties done anything significant to help addressing concerns of minorities. I even know where some Hindu leaders involved for grabbing temple properties (Debottor Shompotti or land belongs to temple). The question was asked to prove a point. I think all unbiased and educated members of this forum are aware of problems in our country. However blaming religion behind is INACCURATE and misdirected. Even thousand years ago people were driven by greed, jealousy and other vices. Human beings are complex animal and putting simple label on them does NOT do justice.
If you sound like you do not know about the barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims in Bangladesh, what could be expected from the average hateful Muslim fanatic of Bangladesh?
>>>>>>>>> As a human being and a fellow Bangladeshi I care about all people who suffer in our country (Even outside the country). I did ask a question. That does NOT mean I deny the issue or support oppressing anyone. Maybe you read my question but assumed more than what was written. Please re-read my question again and hope it will be clear to you.
Shalom!
-----Original Message----- From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 5:11 am Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See! - Repression of non-Muslims in Bangladesh I generally do not like to ask direct questions in the second person in the public forum. But let me make an exception here. Were you asleep over the last 3-4 decades, Mr. Q. A. Rahman? The governments in Bangladesh have not only failed to protect minorities; on many occasions, they have committed and supported criminal acts against non-Muslims in Bangladesh. Barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims have been going on with impunity in Bangladesh practically over the entire lifetime of the country so far. For the average soft-sellers of hatred against non-Muslims, Amnesty International reports on Bangladesh should be an acceptable source on how the country has been doing in terms protecting the religious minorities, including the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Ahmedias and the Christians. Please browse through the pages. Here are only a few examples. In 1992, the democratically elected parliament of Bangladesh, via majority vote in a resolution, praised the countrymen for not being too hateful against religious minorities of the country, while the facts were that thousands of temples had been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of minorities had become homeless due to arson and looting, among other atrocities. Again these are only a few examples. While I read many more and heard about many more from phone conversations with relatives and friends, I am not a repository of news from Bangladesh; nor could I spend enough time to be a human/minority rights activist. Let me stop wasting more of my time here, and end for now with another comment/question for Mr. Rahman. You seem to be a Muslim who cares about the rights of the non-Muslims of Bangladesh. If you sound like you do not know about the barbaric atrocities against non-Muslims in Bangladesh, what could be expected from the average hateful Muslim fanatic of Bangladesh? Sukhamaya Bain ================================================== Let me understand this folks. Are you saying OUR government failed to protect minorities of Bangladesh? Really? Could you supply more information? Where and what happened? Thank you.
Shalom!
============================================== -----Original Message----- From: Jiten Roy < jnrsr53@yahoo.com> To: mukto-mona < mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 4:23 am Subject: [mukto-mona] Fw: A Must See!--Just click the link | YouTube video of a recent demonstration in front of the UN building in New York to protest against the oppression of religious minority in Bangladesh. It was forwarded to me by Mr. Shitangshu Guha. Please click on the link below to watch the video. Jiten Roy ====================================================
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Subject: A Must See!--Just click the link
To: "BHBCUC USA" <unitycouncilusa@gmail.com>, "BHBCUC Europe" <europebhbcuc@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 4:01 PM
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