I do not treat India different than other foreign countries but if I have to pick between India and Bangladesh, I'll always pick Bangladesh. India have some SERIOUS issues (Water, border killings etc).
I actually do not have major problems with Indians. We get along fine. But I do have problems with "New Indian Rajakars" who rather see her/his countrymen die rather than protesting against it.If armed Bangladeshis attack India, India should kill them. However it is uncivilized to kill poor unarmed civilians who mean no harm to "Indian nation". If India want to put them in jail, I am fine with it.
Don't expect sympathy from me if you sing Islamophobe BJP party line ( there are more than 20mil Bangladeshis working in different parts of India ). This was an election year BS and no one buys it unless they have problems with us being Muslims.
If you do not like hypocrites, I congratulate you. In that case, don't bitch about Jammat-e-Islami people. There were Pak Rajakars and we have Indian Rajaraks now!!
Don't like dumb asses who do not know how to set priorities.
Yeah, when the chips are down, I'll always bet on Bangla.....
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 8:30 pm
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
India is not Sweden or California. It is slightly better economic situation than BD. Historically people moved around the sub-continent and Indians do move around BD, when they need do. We the people are not as uptight as Indians.
Border with India and Bangladesh is not like Kashmir border. Kashmir is a semi-active war zone and our common border is mostly peaceful with some "Economic" intruders from BOTH sides. India has the right to punish anyone if they violate their laws, I have no problem with it.
HOWEVER as a civilized country, we do not hang people for stealing a loaf of bread. That would be a work of a pervert. Currently Indian administration is working like a bigoted pervert with poor Bangladeshis.
When I deal with them they kiss my ass very well because my dealings made them money or had potential to make them money (Talking about business deals and social interactions).
However this is not about personal experiences and I have positive experiences with Indians and Pakistanis in most parts.
This is a question of morality of a mature democracy. Today India is trying to assert as a world power and a regional leader. But the way it deals with poor Bangladeshis who only commit petty crimes says a lot about how we are viewed by majority of Indians. Just analyze how west Bengal CM Mamata plays with the fate of our lifeline (Talking about water) and still gets support from her people.
It is the attitude my friend. BTW, India treats their own lower caste Hindus and other ethnic minorities pretty badly. Half of the country is trying to fight with the central government (Assam, Nagaland, Maoist etc) right now.
So this sorry attitude goes deep into typical Indian mentality, which is a real moral concern of not only Bangladeshis but also fair minded Indians.
So far we have received assurances from the highest political offices only to watch how lower level "Low lives" officers feels free to ignore such promises made by their highest leaders. At the end of the say, India itself established itself as an "Untrustworthy partner" to most people in this country. After last fair and open election, we have a India-friendly political leadership and had high hopes to solve many of our issues. Our leaders bent over backwards to address most of Indian concerns only to be returned empty handed!!
This is the reality of the day!!
Shalom!
From: ezajur <Ezajur@yahoo.com>
To: alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 8:36 pm
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@...> wrote:
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> Is India a visa free country? Should not it have the right to protect its border from intruders and smugglers? Or. we should think India as our motherland and we should be able to trespass its border whenever we wish. Can we do that to Burma or other foreign countries? Time to wake up brother. This is not pre 1947. We wanted to separate and have our own PAK paradise. But we failed! Isn't it?
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> How many people did we kill ourselves since 1947 to make our country purer than pure? Now, our own people would like venture around than staying home?
> -SD
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> "All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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> From: Isha Khan bdmailer@...
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> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:29 AM
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> BSF ears wide shut
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> Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
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> http://sonarbangladesh.com/blog/post/108151
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> Indian Border Security Force has killed two Bangladeshis and injured 10 others on average per month this year despite repeated pledges by their home minister not to open fire along the border.âUnder no circumstances would the Indian border security force fire upon anyone trying to cross into India from Bangladesh,â Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram said on July 30 last year during his visit to Dhaka.
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> "The message has gone down to the last jawan," he added.But after 25 days of his directive, BSF opened fire in Kolaroa upazila of Satkhira on August 25 injuring a Bangladeshi.
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> http://amardeshonline.com/pages/details/2012/05/06/143740
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> The brutal killings along the border had declined only for a few months after Chidambaram's visit to Dhaka as the BSF shot dead seven Bangladeshis between August and December last year, according to data of Odhikar, a rights body.
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> The BSF has killed 10 Bangladeshis and injured 43 others in the last four months.
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> The BSF chief, though, in an interview with BBC on January 7 said it is not possible for them to stop firing along the border. His statement showed the BSF's lack of willingness in lowering the number of border killings to zero.
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> Home Minister Shahara Khatun had toured India in February. During her trip, her counterpart P Chidambaram renewed his pledge. "We have reiterated that we don't intend to continue firing and killing along the border.â
> âWe have identified 23 vulnerable border outposts. The two countries will strengthen the presence of the border guards at those points and undertake joint consultations," he added.
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> The BSF is using lethal weapons instead of rubber bullets at many of the 23 vulnerable points, said sources at Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB).âThe BSF is using rubber bullets only at some points and we cannot disclose those due to strategic reasons,â Maj Gen Anwar Hossain, director general of BGB, told The Daily Star.If the Indian border guards introduce rubber bullets at all the vulnerable areas, the killing of Bangladeshis will decline to a great extent, he said.
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> Bangladeshi cattle traders and agricultural workers are the major victims to the BSF shooting as they work at night in the fields near the border, he pointed out.âWe have initiated programmes to sensitise the vulnerable groups on the issue with the help of local elderly people, public representatives and Imams of mosques,â said Anwar.âWe have advised the local cattle traders not to cross into India for fetching cattle risking their lives. Rather they should ask the Indian traders to send those to Bangladesh,â he maintained.
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> The agricultural workers have been advised to inform the BGB personnel before going to work in bordering fields at night. The BGB members will inform the BSF about this in advance to ensure they do not open fire on the workers taking them for smugglers.These intensive awareness programmes have been very effective in reducing border killings by the BSF, said the BGB chief.
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> The BSF in March proposed imposing curfews along the border at night, but the BGB disagreed. âImposing curfews is only a temporary solution. It will not solve the problem at all, rather will undermine people's constitutional right to movement," he added.
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> Contacted, State Minister for Home Shamsul Hoque Tuku said, âKilling along the border is an old issue and I don't claim that such homicides have stopped.ââIf we look at the statistics of border killings since our independence, we will notice a declining trend,â he added.He expressed satisfaction saying that the country for the first time has been able to convince India that killing on the border is inhuman.
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> According to statistics of Odhikar, the border killings have declined over the last few years.The BSF has killed 31 Bangladeshis last year, 74 in 2010 and 96 in 2009.
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> http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=232928
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Friday, May 25, 2012
Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Border killing goes unabated as Delhi's 'no-fire order' falls on deaf ears
Do you have a plan about problems we have with India or just want to sing songs behalf of India?
-----Original Message-----
My dear friend, there are more than 20mil Bangladeshis working in different parts of India if you are not already aware of that fact.
India has been an enemy country since 1940s because they do not pray towards the Westward. Now that they have made some progress, they need to do us favor by accepting us as dear friends? Why not try that with China and Myanmar?
"HOWEVER as a civilized country, we do not hang people for stealing a loaf of bread."
It is not merely stealing a loaf of bread. It is basically a future demographic problem. There was a partition in 1947 and Indians do not want anymore of that nonsense happening to them again.
"India has the right to punish anyone if they violate their laws, I have no problem with it."
Do you think that would deter anybody trespassing Indian border? The same person will go back to do the same the next day!
"When I deal with them they kiss my ass very well because my dealings made them money or had potential to make them money (Talking about business deals and social interactions)."
I bet the same is true from your part too. I am sure you are not making some charitable contributions to those Indian people/businessmen? Are you? So, what is your point?
"It is the attitude my friend. BTW, India treats their own lower caste Hindus and other ethnic minorities pretty badly. Half of the country is trying to fight with the central government (Assam, Nagaland, Maoist etc) right now."
There you go again! You do not even know how bad you smell with your Arab and Pakistani brothers as a little poor miskin. Do you know how minorities and indigenous people are treated in Bangladesh. Talk to some Hindus, Budhists, Christians and Ahmedias. Do not try to shed crocodile tears for those people. Maybe, you should check recent incidents in Shatkira and Nandigram regarding how Jamatis attacked minorities on a bogus issue . Enemy property law is still valid in Bangladesh and any Muslim can grab a minority with no sweat. Brother, take a dip in Padma river and start using heavy doses of men' perfume!
"So this sorry attitude goes deep into typical Indian mentality, which is a real moral concern of not only Bangladeshis but also fair minded Indians."
Vow, what a patronizing tone as if Indians were born yesterday. Brother, a pot should not call a kettle black! I hate hypocrites.
Good day!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
Is India a visa free country? Should not it have the right to protect its border from intruders and smugglers?
>>>>>>>> There are around 50,000 Indians working in various industries in Bangladesh. It never bothered me. If there is a need for their skill set, it only benefits us.
-----Original Message-----
The very definiition of a bind AL supporter is someone who is not outraged when armed soldiers of another country shoot dead an unarmed citizen of Bangladesh.
And it doesn't matter if the victim is a 16 year old child or a 60 year old cattle trader or shot at point black or shot in the back or left to die or left hanging on barbed wire.
And it doesn't matter if the AL government fails to protect its citizens at the border or to be taken seriously in Delhi.
It only matters when AL leaders are killed. India doesn't have to give a damn because she has a lot of behayas speaking up for her in Dhaka.
Ignorant, shameless, lying hypocrites.
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