Here comes the title changer! Sorry, to people who do not like changing titles. I think the following discussion would fit the new title better.
First let me say that I totally disagree with Dr. Roy when he writes, "....a good relationship with Bangladesh is not going to help them (India)."
Secondly, I somewhat disagree with Mr. Deeldar on his thoughts on the European Union. I totally agree with him on his thoughts on our subcontinent.
Now focusing on our subcontinent, let me put forth my thoughts on who wants and talks about a United India (Akhanda Bharat) that would include Bangladesh, India and Pakistan.
People whose families got separated and uprooted by the partition of 1947:
Some of these people would like a United India. However, the realists among this group know that a United India is a fantasy, probably never to be fulfilled. Some in this group, who care about the bigger picture, as opposed to just about themselves, do not want it at all; because they know that such a move would spoil the big middle part of the subcontinent, which has maintained a good deal of sanity, in spite of all the valid criticisms that can be made against that part.
Islamic and Muslim brotherhood fanatics:
Most in this group do not want a united India. A small fraction of this group dreams of an ultimate Islamic paradise in the subcontinent, and they probably want a United India via something like a South Asian Union. Some in this group talk about 'Akahanda Bharat' to maintain and create some anti-India paranoia in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Hindu fanatics of India:
They do not like Muslims, and do not want a union with almost a third of a billion Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh. A very small fraction of this group, which does not really know what they are thinking, wants a United India.
Innocent fools of the subcontinent:
They do not know that they are thinking, and want a union, at least in the form of a South Asian Union.
Decent and smart people of the subcontinent:
They are realists and know that a United India is a fantasy, at least for the foreseeable future. This group probably just wants improvements in the citizenship and human rights everywhere, without which good relations between the three countries of the subcontinent are impossible. They know the problems in all three countries, and they can see the differences between the three countries. They are fully aware of the fact that Pakistan is too much into the ditch when it comes to human and citizenship rights, and that a union with that entity is a loosing proposition for the subcontinent. They also realize that visa-free travel between the three countries would be harmful for the subcontinent overall.
At a personal level, of course, it would be so convenient if I could visit all these three countries with no visa. But I would not support a policy like that in the subcontinent until I see a remarkable drop in religious and sectarian fanaticisms, which might take a quite a few hundred years to accomplish.
Well, more later.
Sukhamaya Bain
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] 'ঢাকার সায় ছাড়া টিপাইমুখে বাঁধ হবে না' !!!!!
"India does not want to open the gate because it will be totally overwhelmed by Muslims and drag it down to create another disaster. Sorry to say that Islam and modernity is not a not good mix. Some idiots are more concern about the religion than their material and educational progress." These are excellent observations. I totally agree that most religious people do waste all their potential to conform to something that has so little to do with this world, and, in that sense, you are right about those people being mostly useless. Which country in the world, in their right mind, will want more of those useless people? This may be the obstacle in the relationship between Bangladesh and India. India is strugling to contain religious communality in their own land, and a good relationship with Bangladesh is not going to help them. I also believe that economic progress in the Indian subcontinent has been slow mainly due to the presence of so many of such useless 'idiots.' The good news is – their number is declining as more and more people are waking up, and that may be correlated with the recent uptick on the rate of progress in this region. Jiten Roy ======================================== --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
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