Vow! What Hukka hua you talking about? I have not read any of Munshi et. al essays. I am a Muktomona as you are!
Look, I have not compared Bangladesh with Sikkim. Nor, I believe any country would be interested to gobble us up and do us a big favor. Yes, we are the 7th largest by population but we are everything but powerful. With one billion population, Indians are still on the sideline of UN security council. So much for their population size!
"You want to be like Pakistan? Economically weak?"
Did I say that any where in my post? Please read my post again, dear!
" Naaahh! Just get rid of madrassahs, and see the country grow."
Is that so simple? Have you tried? Those are Saudi funded schools. Who will give you money to rehabilitate those teachers and students? Why do you think they would listen to you?
"Bangladesh can be an economic wonder of Asia!"
Yes, it can be but we do not know when that would be a reality. Do you think US, China and India do not know that little secret?
Look, we would not be able to play any hardball with any of these powers. Maybe with India but that would be all. If US want to station its fleet in our harbors, you won't able to stop it. There are too many countries, who would be ready to take US with both arms. That is today's reality. What happens from ten to twenty years time from now, that would be anybody's guess.
With respect and regards,
Shah. D
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Subimal Chakraborty <subimal@yahoo.com>; Alochona Alochona <alochona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
Oh! No! You're not joining the Hukka hua choir of MBI Munshi, zulumgiri communalists and Zag the Jackal et al, are you? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! How small and tiny Bangladesh is! How weak, how depopulated, how utterly unimportant like Sikkim -- ready to be gobbled up by the BIG India any day soon -- any day -- oh my oh me oh! oh! How pitiable!
The waters of Indian Ocean is one thing. But if you're talking about the Bay of Bengal, then India does not enjoy bigger territorial rights than Bangladesh, and Myanmar has an important say no matter how cornered she had been all these years on the geopolitical map.
What is this concept of a "weak" country? Bangladesh is the world's 7th most populous nation. How can it be possibly compared with Sikkim? Militarily weak? You mean it does not have nuclear weapons? Who wants nuclear weapons? Look what having those weapons has made Pakistan. The poor country is in shambles! You want to be like Pakistan? Economically weak? Naaahh! Just get rid of madrassahs, and see the country grow. Bangladesh can be an economic wonder of Asia!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:41:59 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
CC: farida_majid@hotmail.com; subimal@yahoo.com; alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Subimal Chakraborty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
The waters of Indian Ocean is one thing. But if you're talking about the Bay of Bengal, then India does not enjoy bigger territorial rights than Bangladesh, and Myanmar has an important say no matter how cornered she had been all these years on the geopolitical map.
What is this concept of a "weak" country? Bangladesh is the world's 7th most populous nation. How can it be possibly compared with Sikkim? Militarily weak? You mean it does not have nuclear weapons? Who wants nuclear weapons? Look what having those weapons has made Pakistan. The poor country is in shambles! You want to be like Pakistan? Economically weak? Naaahh! Just get rid of madrassahs, and see the country grow. Bangladesh can be an economic wonder of Asia!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:41:59 -0700
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
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As a weaker country, Bangladesh may not have the guts or resource to stay independent in this super power game scenario. I do not think we have enough brain power in Bangladesh to navigate this treacherous water of new alignment and its consequences. US would not be a push over guy unless China makes us another satellite like North Korea or Pakistan. That is not going to happen to us.
For our Pakistani brother, only thing I can say is that Pakistan was a brainless prostitute from the get go. US never respected that country. It is a mess and it will do the US work with money or no money. The game is already started with Leon Panneta talking tough. Pakistanis should not blame anybody but itself. It could not become an Israel or South Korea because of its own fault. The double game is dangerous and it has been caught red handed several times.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Subimal Chakraborty <subimal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
The Balance of Power Game has shifted to Asia! With Myanmar slipping away from the tight grips of China, Bangladesh and the Bay of Bengal have gained new importance in the current geopolitical map. Even India is having to pay attention to how Bangladesh plays it between China and the USA -- both are courting Bangladesh. In my opinion Bangladesh should not take side between the 2 superpowers and should keep India guessing. Any permanent presence of an American Warship in the Bay of Bengal needs the permission of India, Bangladesh and Myanmar.
Bangladesh should not get too close to the USA or do anything to alienate China. In 1971 both were against the idea of an independent Bangladesh. We should all keep in mind what a frustrated Pakistani cyber-friend said a few years ago about America -- "na inki dosti acchi, na inki dushmani acchi!
These shifting Power Games and the movements of jigsaw puzzle pieces on the geopolitical world map shows how useless the Munshi Clan's "India Doctrine" is which is based on one outdated fixed idea -- the Hindu-Muslim permanent enmity.
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From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 18:56:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
Bangladesh should not get too close to the USA or do anything to alienate China. In 1971 both were against the idea of an independent Bangladesh. We should all keep in mind what a frustrated Pakistani cyber-friend said a few years ago about America -- "na inki dosti acchi, na inki dushmani acchi!
These shifting Power Games and the movements of jigsaw puzzle pieces on the geopolitical world map shows how useless the Munshi Clan's "India Doctrine" is which is based on one outdated fixed idea -- the Hindu-Muslim permanent enmity.
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
CC: subimal@yahoo.com
From: shahdeeldar@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 18:56:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
No, I do not see any war scenario in Asia in the near future. My guess is that US presence in the Indian ocean is a must before China takes over the ocean. If China takes over, then there will be war. I am sure there will be many willing countries, who would love to provide the base facilities for the Americans.
I highly doubt whether US would ever be mentoring Jamatis to create another Taliban monster in the eastern front.
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
American military base in Bangladesh! There was a rumor that America was ready for an independent Bangladesh provided the new country would let America have a military on her soil. It was also a rumor that Mujib did not agree to the proposal. As a matter of fact America has been looking for a good one in SE Asian region for a long time. Now few questions arise on this issue. Would India like it? A reasonable answer is: India would rather control the region in her own way with full support from America. Probably she will prefer to get more armed than having American arms and soldiers in the region. The second question is: Is China now creating too much trouble for Bangladesh? Or is there a chance that it will try to create trouble for Bangladesh in future? If answer is yes, then one will ask why. I know China has in its possession huge Indian land and India may want to get them back by showing force, if not through negotiation. That means India may have interest in having an American military base in her land. But given the Indian politics, it seems to be a remote possibility. Let us think about a scenario: America wants to punish China and attacks China from its military base in Bangladesh. Is there not the possibility that the little Bangladesh would be crushed between the two superpowers? American base in Bangladesh would not mean American affluence in Bangladesh although no doubt there will be some positive effects due to the very American presence, but not much for sure given the population size of Bangladesh. What is the possibility that America will remain solely a neutral and silent observer of what would be going on in Bangladesh politics? Is the chance remote that in order to keep its status quo it will not side with an extremist party like Jamaat? As a matter of fact it may have to do it to keep pressure on India.
Just a few thoughts. Political analysts will have more on it.
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
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Look, it would be great to have some power balance in the Asia. Since China is not a democratic power, I would rather see some counter balance from the US and other powers. Otherwise, we will be forced to dance with Mao's same monotonic tune. I do not want my life to be dictated from Beijing's politburo meetings. Japan, Vietnam and Philipine are already feeling the Chinese music on their shores. I would rather go with the devil that I know than the one I do not know. With US, we discuss, demand and negotiate! With China, we will be only marching with tails between our hind legs.
This time, we should play the game right!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
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আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ বাংলাদেশে তাদের সামরিক ঘাঁটি স্হাপন করতে যাচ্ছে।
তারি ধারাবাহিকতায় তারা বঙ্গপসাগরে তথা বাংলাদেশের সমুদ্র সীমায়
সেন্টমার্টিন দ্বীপের উপকূলে তাদের সপ্তম নৌবহর এনে তাদের স্হায়ী ঘাঁটি
স্হাপন করছে।
মূলতঃ চীনকে আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ ভীষণ ভয় পাচ্ছে, বর্তমান বিশ্বে চীনই
তাদের একমাত্র প্রতিদ্দন্দী।
বাংলাদেশকে কোন ভাবেই আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদের ঘাঁটি করতে দেয়া যাবে না।
এখন থেকেই আমাদেরক আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদের বিরোদ্ধ ঐক্যবদ্ধ ভাবে
দুর্বার গণআন্দলন গড়ে তোলার জন্য ঘুমন্ত জাতিকে আহবান জানাচ্ছি।
সেফাত উল্লাহ্
তারি ধারাবাহিকতায় তারা বঙ্গপসাগরে তথা বাংলাদেশের সমুদ্র সীমায়
সেন্টমার্টিন দ্বীপের উপকূলে তাদের সপ্তম নৌবহর এনে তাদের স্হায়ী ঘাঁটি
স্হাপন করছে।
মূলতঃ চীনকে আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদ ভীষণ ভয় পাচ্ছে, বর্তমান বিশ্বে চীনই
তাদের একমাত্র প্রতিদ্দন্দী।
বাংলাদেশকে কোন ভাবেই আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদের ঘাঁটি করতে দেয়া যাবে না।
এখন থেকেই আমাদেরক আমেরিকান সাম্রাজ্যবাদের বিরোদ্ধ ঐক্যবদ্ধ ভাবে
দুর্বার গণআন্দলন গড়ে তোলার জন্য ঘুমন্ত জাতিকে আহবান জানাচ্ছি।
সেফাত উল্লাহ্
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