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Friday, March 22, 2013

Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: কি ভাই!! থেমে আছ�? আরো বেশ�- আরো জোর�, বাংলাদে



That's exactly what I am referring to. The statement that all criminals have to be punished is a general statement which is all right. But sometimes we need to be specific. This time it has been pretty clear that  Jamat is involved in all atrocious activities against the religious minorities as well as in killing police. If you can be so specifically vocal against AL (your favorite acronym BAL), why don't you at least once mention Jamat as a perpetrator! Jamat has a long history of being communal party let alone it's role in 1971. We have among us a lot of people who are like this and I call this behavior intellectual dishonesty. 
Probably you have noticed that when appropriate unhesitatingly I criticize AL including Mujib although to me AL is a better choice than BNP. If Jamat is a party of your preference (which is not unlikely because of your and Jamat's common attitude to Islamic rule, Sharia Law, and Sharia banking) and if you openly express it, I will respect your opinion. 
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On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:12 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

Thanks for your response. The fact remains that this time the attacks are coming from Jamat. We all need to be specific and vocal and must not dilute the issue too much by bringing side issues. This is not the time for Intellectual dishonesty. 

>>>>>>>> My position is consistent over the years. Criminals needs to be punished. If we start "Cherry picking" my criminals and "Opposition criminals", the whole process will lose weight. I am seeking PURE "Intellectual HONESTY". Nothing more...


Shalom!






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From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 21, 2013 7:09 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: কি ভাই!! থেমে আছ�? আরো বেশ�- আরো জোর�, বাংলাদে

 
Thanks for your response. The fact remains that this time the attacks are coming from Jamat. We all need to be specific and vocal and must not dilute the issue too much by bringing side issues. This is not the time for Intellectual dishonesty. 

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On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:24 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
I ONLY share what Islam says about certain issues. I am NOT promoting any platform and like to stay true "Mukto-mona" as much as possible. So I can criticize when criticism is the right thing to do and I share information about Islam, so you (And rest of members) can judge who is following Islam and who is breaking fundamental laws/ideals of Islam. 

This time all the attacks have allegedly come from Jamat. BNP


>>>>>>>>> These "Allegations" should be looked into and our government has to remember that, they are "Government of Bangladesh" not a party. So they have people's mandate to govern the whole country. Therefore whoever commit any crime (Jamaat, BNP, BAL or anyone) should be punished.

There has been a disturbing report about young boy name Toki, who was murdered. His own father (A leader of BAL) publicly blamed another BAL leader from Narayangong. We want to see justice delivered in our country as I know our honorable PM knows very well what it feels like losing young members of family. Similarly the Biswajit incident is forgotten and I hope the "Minority Unity council" will stay out of politics and speak with same voice for all victims. So far they tend to "Promote" BAL narrative and it is harmful for mainstream minority population in the long run. So they have to tread carefully if they want to speak up for certain political parties or speak on behalf of all minorities regardless who were the attacker.

As I said earlier, according to Mr. Shahriar Kabir (Discussed in ATN TV talk show hosted by Mr. Shamal Dutta) around 8,000 violent incidents took place where Muslims were involved and rest 2,000 incidents involved minorities.


Therefore, casualty of Muslim population is quite high and the image of "Muslims attacking Hindus" for their faith is inaccurate for most incidents ( I am sure there are some exceptions). Largely it has been a political clash between supporters of different political parties.

Shalom (May peace be unto you)! 






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Jamat-e-Islami is an Islamic party. Looks like it does not follow the Islamic Dhimmi principle. This time all the attacks have allegedly come from Jamat. BNP and many intellectuals however do not believe it. In 2001 the attack came from BNP. Has AL ever attacked Hindus as a party? I don't remember. 

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On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:04 AM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 
I feel we (Everyone of all religion) have to sit down and think about to change this situation permanently. First of all, according to Mr. Shahriar Kabir (Leader of ghatak-dalal-nirmul committee) there were around 10,000 incidents took place since the Kader Mollah and Delwar Hossain verdict came out. Among them close to 2,000 incidents involved our non-Muslim citizens (Hindu, Christians and other minorities). He revealed this number in front of advocate Rana Das Gupta (Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council) in a talk show at ATN TV. Advocate Rana did not dispute the number provided by Mr. Shahriar Kabir. I am sure all of us agree that, Shahriar Kabir is NOT a Jamaat spokes person!!

There is no denying our weak part of the society take the brunt of "Political game" that takes place roughly every five years in Bangladesh. NOT only Hindus, many Muslim families face very difficult situation during election season. The Hindu community faces an additional "Difficulty" of being attacked by land grabbing thugs who take advantage of weak police and try to gobble up properties of Hindus. So in addition to political clashes (Which take place all over the country between supporters of BNP, BAL Jatiya party and Jamaat supporters), some people are victims of personal grudges. For example, son of an BAL leader in Narayangang was murdered and the family did not blame Jammat for it, rather it pointed at another faction of BAL party.


There are other reports of going after political and local opponents as well. So we have focus on saving the most vulnerable citizens who are being targeted for their property or political allegiance. It is really heart breaking to see that, even non political people are not spared.

Guess armed political conflicts are difficult to handle for common people like us (Unarmed). So we have to speak up for those people (OF all faith) who cannot speak up in our system. I urge coalition leaders to put enough pressure on our governments (Regardless who is in power) to look at this issue. Otherwise minorities will be played for politics like Muslims are played in India!!


We speak a lot of about 1971 and patriotism. This is the time to speak up. I am glad "Gonojagoron Moncho" is arranging "Unity Moncho" to show our solidarity with our non-Muslim brothers and sisters who are victims of violence for political alliances.


As I spoke frequently, it is Islamic ideal to offer protection to non-Muslim crowd (Thus the name "Dhimmi/dhimma" or protected comes from). Now we are neither Islamic nor secular. We have to reinforce our values in administration and young people should keep an eye on this issue.


Frequently I spoke about empowering police and judicial system. Little did I know the need of it will be so apparent so quickly!!


I urge everyone of us to unite in "Fundamental national issues". We may differ in minor issues but this is our


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