Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

1. Your authentic Islam inspires you to be a sympathizer of Muslim Brotherhood and find some great things in Taliban political ideology. Tajuddin's daughter will not agree with you. You should rather say that it is your view instead of claiming it to be authentic. 

2. One may genuinely get upset if you pretend to be politically neutral and not say even a single word against Hefajati 13. 

3. Hindu majority India has not included Manu's edicts in the constitution. Can you please have them as your role model and keep religion separate from the constitution? 

4. Pious Muslims do not discriminate. Do pious Hindus or Christians discriminate? Do they care what is literally written in the scriptures? Think about political thinking of Gandhi and philosophical views of Rabindranath? Do you smell Manu in them? 

5. What Americans are actually doing is not important. You have correctly said that the constitution is great and that is important. All men are equal. Can you treat Islam as a complete code of your private life and keep it away from political and economic system? If you cannot do that, it is useless to talk about the greatness of American constitution. 

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On May 10, 2013, at 1:58 PM, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:

 

You cannot say that Hefajot is a political party; can you? Even if it is, they are still within the complete code of life. Also you cannot say that Hefajot and Jamat-E Islamists are not following Islam; can you? If Hefajot is not the representative of Islam, who are? If they are not following Islam correctly, who are? Finally, if these are the facts, why would you extend your tacit support for them?

>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I share information about Islam (based on scriptures) so members here can understand what authentic Islam stands for. Thus it will be easier for them to separate "pretenders of Islam" from real followers of Islam.

Just use these criteria to any political party of our day and YOU be the judge.

Some members are "Upset" because I do not play "Cheer leader" for any political party here. Which most of your do VERY well. I am indifferent because this is how I feel about current politics. Sometime I like bits and pieces of our political actions. Then I comment on it. Any "Imagination" of tacit support is just that-----IMAGINATION!!

I feel there got to be a misinterpretation of the phrase - complete code of life. Ordinary people only need religious and social codes; they don't need administrative or political code in life. A religion must be for ordinary people. Therefore, complete code of life only means religious and social codes of life. Politicians must have added the other two into the fold of Islam for exploitation. This is similar to that of Hinduism, where Brahmins introduced worshiping of mad made idols of Gods and Goddesses into the fold of Hinduism for exploitation of ordinary people.  

 

What say you?

>>>>>>>>>>> Code has been given but we don't practice it. Your adopted country says in the constitution, "All men (Human) are created equal........." at start but they did not treat non-whites equally for most part of American history (Codified law came as late as 1962 but racism is alive and well in the US).


It is not the fault of the constitution, it was the fault of Euro-American settlers (Like Zionist settlers in Palestine) not the founding fathers of America. They were noble men and Thomas Jefferson even read the Qur'an and he was inspired by it. He even threw the first "Ramadan Party" in the While house during those days. 

You are halfway correct about your comments about Hinduism (It is a misnomer as per Vivekananda). Sanatana scriptures has codified laws to discriminate against lower caste Hindus and others. Read Manu for more details ( I don't need to educate you on it).


As per Islamic scriptures and practices by pious Muslims, it is free of such discrimination. To me Islam is a very natural and "Logical" religion. However we have many uneducated and "part time" Muslims who abuse the name of Islam to fulfill their personal greed.

Therefore, I don't blame you for having some negative feelings towards Islam but it is the very reason I share authentic information about Islam. So at least it will help to reduce misunderstanding between our communities.

We have to work as a team, so our future generations can get along better. We have to strive to go above our biases, so our children can truly be friends and partners.

Shalom!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 5:40 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals?

 

My reaction stems from the fact that - information you furnished is not just any article, it's from the Hadith. And, if anyone knows Hadith, that will be a Hefajot/Jamat-E Islamist. In my view, none of those revered religious figures is showing any morality right now, including the Amir; he has been a pawn of this political game, and he is playing along just fine. Therefore, morality and religiosity is a misfit right now under the current political environment. That's what I meant.   You said – politics is not for nice people; I will agree with you. I will add to it - politics is not for religious people also. Remember, a while back, I said – religion and politics should not mix; if you mix them, religion will get corrupted.  You said – Islam is a complete code of life, meaning it includes religious, social, administrative, and political codes. I said – those days of Caliphate are long gone. We live in a complex world; the last two codes will now corrupt the first two, and societies will end up in a poisonous quagmire. You are getting a test of it right now. Modern societies have figured it out long back, and they are reaping the benefits. That could not sway Islamists; they still believe in the days of Caliphate. So, the fight goes on ....   QR said: "I don't understand ONE thing. WHY do you keep making "Certain political parties" as agent of Islam. I have never presented them as any kind of representatives. WHY do you?"   You cannot say that Hefajot is a political party; can you? Even if it is, they are still within the complete code of life. Also you cannot say that Hefajot and Jamat-E Islamists are not following Islam; can you? If Hefajot is not the representative of Islam, who are? If they are not following Islam correctly, who are? Finally, if these are the facts, why would you extend your tacit support for them?   I feel there got to be a misinterpretation of the phrase - complete code of life. Ordinary people only need religious and social codes; they don't need administrative or political code in life. A religion must be for ordinary people. Therefore, complete code of life only means religious and social codes of life. Politicians must have added the other two into the fold of Islam for exploitation. This is similar to that of Hinduism, where Brahmins introduced worshiping of mad made idols of Gods and Goddesses into the fold of Hinduism for exploitation of ordinary people.     What say you? Jiten Roy --- On Thu, 5/9/13, QR <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote: From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fwd: Do we have good morals? To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 5:48 AM   Who are these people? Are you talking about Hefazot-Jamat people? You must really be a confused man to circulate this link to us right now. Are you aware of the plan Hefazot-BNP-Jamat cooked privately; cool down Charlie Brown!! My post does NOT have anything to do with current politics. Simple ideals written in an article. NOTHING more. There are lots of news/rumors about what the opposition done and what the government has done. Suspects have been arrested and they are under process. I don't understand ONE thing. WHY do you keep making "