Dr. K. Das,
Thank you. If I remember correctly, Alan Turning begged for castration; he said – otherwise - he will be a danger to the society, as he was unable to control his sexual attraction to man. The castration is not the issue with me. The issue is - I did not understand the "Pardon," which Dr. Anisur Rahman said was the most decent thing the British government and Monarchy has done.
So, I asked him to explain why he thought so. Instead of explaining his views, I got a lecture from him about something else (American handling of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay).
I do not understand Dr. Anisur Rahman, who changes color every few minutes. Sometimes he talks against religious fundamentalism like a progressive man, the next moment - he talks like a religious fundamentalist and praises Q. Rahman, and calls us (me, you, and Dr. Bain) BJP or Indian agents. What's going on with this gentleman? Do you have a clue?
Jiten Roy
On Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:44 PM, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
"Monarchy does not apologize to a subject, so pardon is the best they could do for this subject. Unfortunately, this pardon just exhibits arrogance of the monarchy"- JR
You got it right, Dr. Roy. The most flamboyant monarch of England, Henry VIII, was a whore monger and died of syphilis. Yet, the King(monarch), can do no wrong. Any country that lives under monarchy is half civilized at best. This has been amply exhibited by the life style of the children of the present monarch. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Anisur Rahman, I think you are angry, and an angry person cannot think straight.
As I understand, British government rectified the old law recently, and as per new law, Alan Turing is innocent. For that reason, an apology from the British monarchy would have been much more appropriate, since he has been castrated already and pardon cannot reverse it.
To me, this is just - Monarchy does not apologize to a subject, so pardon is the best they could do for this subject. Unfortunately, this pardon just exhibits arrogance of the monarchy, nothing decent about it. Please try to understand this simple fact.
Jiten Roy
On Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:15 AM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Jiten Roy: Do you understand that Alan Turing broke the law of the land at that time? Do you understand that breaking a law is punishable?If you say that you do understand that breaking a law is punishable, then I can proceed; otherwise it is futile and waste of time.Assuming that you have the common sense of saying yes to both of the above questions, then my answer is this: the punishment meted out to him was castration (as he wished). In any country that would have been the end of it.But the British government, out of decency, thought of reviewing his case in view of the change of law that had taken place some 50 years later. On that review, it was decided that he should be pardoned retrospectively and that can only be done by the Royal prerogative. (It is like a convicted murderer can be pardoned by the President of the country; not by the Judiciary, not by the law makers). The Royal pardon has been granted and that is the most decent thing. Do you now understand?Now compare the civilised manner of the British government with your American government:When scores of people from across the globe had been kidnapped and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay on suspicion of terrorism and many of them had been found to be totally innocent, did American government come up and apologise to them and compensate them for the injustice? When millions of blacks had been mistreated, segregated and denied opportunities in 1950s and 1960s, did American government compensate them? There are many more misdemeanours and illegality of the American government.So, one should not throw stone while living in a glass house!- A. Rahman
From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: "mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com" <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 December 2013, 23:07
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon
A. Rahman: "Alan Turing, a brilliant British mathematician, had been granted pardon retrospectively and it is the most decent thing the British government and the British Royalty can do."Can you explain how pardon after castration can be "the most decent thing British government and British Royalty can do?" I do not understand "the most decent" part of it.
Thanks.
Jiten Roy
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:00 PM, ANISUR RAHMAN <anisur.rahman1@btinternet.com> wrote:
One must realise that Alan Turing broke the law as it was in existence in 1952. So he was convicted and castrated, not imprisoned, as per his wish.Now 50 or so years later that law has been changed and Alan Turing, a brilliant British mathematician, had been granted pardon retrospectively and it is the most decent thing the British government and the British Royalty can do.The same high standards and magnanimity cannot be assigned to America. When scores of people from across the globe had been kidnapped and imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay on suspicion of terrorism and many of them had been found to be totally innocent, American government did not come up and apologised to them and compensated them for the injustice. When millions of blacks had been mistreated, segregated and denied opportunities in 1950s and 1960s, American government did not compensate them.So, one should not throw stone while living in a glass house!- ARFrom: Farida Majid <farida_majid@hotmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2013, 10:49
Subject: RE: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon
I really think Sukhamay hit on the right point . What 'pardon'? -- The British Govt. should be paying compensation to Alan Turin . . .
From: subain1@yahoo.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:39:51 -0800
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon
I have serious problems with the words, "pardon" and "amnesty", when they are applied to victims and fighters of injustice.Alan Turing did not do any crime, and he did not need any 'pardon'. The British government did a gross injustice to him in 1952 by castrating him. The British government and their royalty are the ones that needed pardoning by him (his departed soul or his family), not the other way around. Obviously, the British have not yet gotten civilized enough to seek an unconditional pardon from him, and are talking the nonsense of pardoning him instead.SuBain=====================================From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Gay mathematician gets royal pardon
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