A very significant part of the followers of Islam want to conquer the whole world right from the beginning. For this reason, they create problems wherever they live. Sangh Paribar may be indeed unjust in considering the poor descendants of those who could not protect their religious identity during Islamic rule. But those who have their heart in Mecca, and head in the West should have their loyalty redefined. So called progressives have the right attitude in protecting the minorities. However, it would be better to find out if they are being financed by the Islamic NGOs.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fair enough. Even you were a Marxist, that would not be any problem for me or others. If you are merely posting your selected articles without any bias, you would be my true hero. But, if you want people to take side and justify certain things, I do have problems. If we look at your race related article, one gets the idea that whatever Muslim migrants have been doing there is totally justified because National front is bad. It forced Muslims to behave certain way and that is fine? If you think, a tiny fraction of National front members can really cleanse Muslims from France, I say that is a total BS. No, that is not going to happen unless migrants take an extreme position. Yes, another form of halocust might come in a different form, even in a civilized Europe. The Indian scenario is not any different either. Sang Parivar is not a major force and they will play their games no matter what you wish in a democratic society. Despite Sang Parivar dirty tricks, Muslims are far better off than what has been happening to the minorities In Bangladesh and Pakistan. The poor minorities are not even constitutionally protected in those two countries. Enemy property is still valid and alive to satisfy the state and non-state goondas. Not that this kind of kind of argument should be put forward to nullify your benevolence attitude for the minorities in India, but there is probably an invisible linkage to that and that might have been ignored by our gullible liberals. Why Muslims are being castigated in India and worldwide? Is this an one sided problem? Maybe, it is time to look for a real answer than looking for inadequacies with the others.
I wish we had a different world without religious and racial bigotry but that is not what we have. Nobody is purely is innocent in this game including our best and brightests. This is basically is a humamn evolutionary trait and it is not going to go away until to the end of Earth' existence. Thank you
-SD"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Thursday, January 2, 2014 6:12 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
I am not a Marxist, I was. Editors of MEGA ( Complete Works of Marx & Engels) project announced that they should not be called Marxists as they want Marx's (Engels' too) works to be studied critically. Maximillien Rubel, one of the three greatest Marx scholars (others being Riazanov and Pannekoek) categorically said, he was not a Marxist and Marx himself was not a Marxist. So one should not assume, that I am 'a die-hard Marxist.
And why should any Sangh Parivar post this, its followers. visit facebook and verify.
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 05:10:34
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Cc: "bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com" <bangladesh-progressives@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rightwing Hindu nationalism raked up
As if Muslims immigrants would have perfectly assimilated in France and EU if National Front did not exist? As if Pakistan would have been a paradise in the world if Sang Parivar did not exist (self explanatory)? Look, as a diehard Marxist, you got your issues, which have been changed since the downfall of communism. I understand, you people have been trying get some traction wherever you can but without much luck. It is strange that our Marxist brothers are finally falling in love with the Islamist, the true champion of democracy and fairness? Is that a new strategy to take us for another ride? Sorry mate, you are in a wrong place and on a wrong time.
People will do anything to get a vote. Indians are not any different. It has worked for them for last sixty years and it has allowed people to speak their minds unlike many Muslim dominated countries. Stop lecturing people as long as things are within the decency and limit. Democracy is not a perfect system but that is the best that we got at this point. Your negativity is pretty pathetic and redundant since you are not offering anything new to the world. Thank you.
-SD"I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:28 PM, Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com> wrote:
My intro is self-explanatory - 'As the parliamentary elections draw nigh, Sangh Parivar and its sympathisers are back in the hackneyed game of bucking up anti-Muslim sentiment through facebook and twitter. ' . The timing is important. Why a news of Sept 2011 is being referred to ? To discover intellectual dishonesty in it indicates which boot is on whose leg?
From: Sukhamaya Bain <subain1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 21:36:58
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Rightwing Hindu nationalism raked up
How is this raking up Hindu nationalism, Mr. Ray?Looking at the link provided, there seems to be a group called 'Bare Naked Islam', and it seems to have a European (French) connection. This group seems to be against the rising Muslim fanaticism in Europe.Mr. Ray, could you explain how this is raking up Hindu nationalism? Is Hindu nationalisn synonymous to being critical of Islamic fanaticism?I sense a case of intellectual dishonesty, and a pretty dangerous one at that, here. Let me wait for Mr. Ray's response before any further comment on this.Sukhamaya Bain==================================From: Sankar Kumar Ray <sankarray62@rediffmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: [mukto-mona] Rightwing Hindu nationalism raked upAs the parliamentary elections draw nigh, Sangh Parivar and its sympathisers are back in the hackneyed game of bucking up anti-Muslim sentiment through facebook and twitter. Here is an example.
FRANCE: Marseilles is now 30-40% Muslim. Excessive violence, riots, and rapes are turning it into a third world city in the heart of Europe. (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/09/29/france-marseilles-is-now-30-40-muslim-excessive-violence-riots-and-rapes-are-turning-it-into-a-third-world-city-in-the-heart-of-europe/)France is probably the worst affected of all western nations by immigration, since it is on the brink of losing its European identity to the insistent Muslims increasing in numbers within French borders. As they grow in population, they come to believe they can impose the will of Islam on the French people, and when they don't get their way, they often resort to violence.Islam vs Europe A number of extraordinary stories have come out of Marseilles in recent weeks. Collectively,they attest to the fact that the city is sinking rapidly into he third world. It has been massively colonised by Muslims, and they are now reproducing there the conditions found in their home countries.The first bizarre incident to make the headlines was a Wild West-style train robbery. Shopping carts, rocks and bits of metal had been placed across a railway track, forcing a passenger train to stop. A cargo train arrived some time later and found its way barred by the passenger train. Around 20 hooded jeunes (youths) [this is the code the French elite use for Muslims, much like 'Asian' in the British media] then appeared, broke into the cargo train and made off with some of the boxes it contained. According to the news reports about the incident, this was not the first time it had happened.Last Sunday, at between 4 and 5 am, around 15 people "apparently in a state of drunkenness" broke into the barracks belonging to a military fire service, shouted at the firemen on duty there then began firing shots at them. 7 firemen were wounded, of whom 4 were taken to hospital. The party of "jeunes" had apparently come from a busc chartered by a group of Cape Verdians in Nice to travel to an "Africa night" in Marseilles.This week, a bus driver was attacked by passengers when he refused to allow two burka-clad women to travel on his bus. It is illegal in France to wear the burka in public. When one of the women tried to board the bus, displaying a bus pass bearing a photograph, the driver insisted that she unveil so he could verify her identity. She refused to do this and, after some discussion, decided to leave and wait for the next bus. Angry passengers ("jeunes") then took the side of the women and beat up the driver, accusing him of being a "racist". They then invited the burka-wearing woman to re-enter the bus. But when the police arrived, they scattered. Police booked the woman for wearing a burka.In reacting to the incident, the president of the Marseilles Transport Authority, which operated the bus, appeared to sympathise with the woman rather than, as might have been expected, his own driver. The driver's reaction was 'inappropriate' , he said. The Explanation comes with this "president's" name: Karim Zéribi. An invader.Muslims have now set up unofficial checkpoints in various parts of Marseilles. Anyone entering "their" area has to stop and submit to inspection. Last week, the driver of a van belonging to a food bank, which distributes free food and drink to poor people, was stopped by a group of "jeunes" when trying to enter the Marseilles district of "Air-Bel". The road had been barred with concrete blocks and bins filled with sand. They searched his vehicle 'like policemen applying law in their territory" in order to "check there weren't any policemen inside". When they saw he only had milk, they let him pass through.Jacques Ansquer, president of the local Food Bank was indignant. "Before, they were attacking policemen, firemen, bus drivers. Now they're attacking those who are bringing help to the most disadvantaged!" He lodged a complaint with the police,but many people have contacted him urging him to withdraw the complaint because they feel that pursuing it would complicate the Food Bank's operations in future."Politicians and administrative officials must assume their responsibilities for re-establishing republican order," Ansquer insists. "These zones of non-law are becoming zones that are governed by laws other than ours, a kind of customary law."Valérie Boyer, a local UMP (main right-wing party in France) deputy, says that these "checkpoints" have "more or less always existed" but not with the "scope and regularity" they have now. She says the town is a real "draughtboard" where peaceful areas rub up up against 'enclaves' that are less safe. We need to close our eyes a bit t o it here because, afterwards, we'll have some issues with the drug traffickers". She speaks openly of a "territorial war".More resources have recently been allocated to the police in the area but a spokesman for the police trade union says it is nowhere near enough faced with "over-armed drug traffickers". "We're not playing in the same league," he says, complaining about the lack of personnel and equipment. "Faced with a Kalashnikov, we are basically powerless."When the European War for Survival starts later in this century, I predict it will either be in Brussels or Marseilles that it kicks off.
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