Thank you again, Dr. Roy! Even a common title 'Chaudhuri' is of
Jewish origin. The Chaudhuris used to be tax collectors as Persian
Jews.
On 2/27/12, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Mr. Q. Rahman,
> You have a doubt about the information provided by K. Das, in this case,
> which is fine. But, what is not fine is that - you are thinking that he has
> made it up. It is quite insulting to the wisdom of any presenter, especially
> Dr. K. Das. When you insult someone's wisdom, he/she will insult your wisdom
> also. Both of you are just doing this from the beginning. May I ask you,
> with due respect, to reconsider your style.
> The normal course of deliberation should have been one of the two chices -
> 1) you provide information to disprove the argument or 2) you do not respond
> at all, until you find a response.
> To tell you the truth, I do not know the fact about his claim, and I also
> have nothing to disprove his argument. But, I know that thousands of Jews
> took shelter in India due to persecution around the world. I heard this from
> many Jewish leaders; they openly praise India for her generosity to provide
> safe shelter to so many Jewish people when the entire world turned against
> them. I am telling you that K. Das's argument is quite plausible. To ask him
> to prove that he is correct - is improper, I should say. The burden of proof
> is on us to disprove his arguments.
> However, you can always ask for more information, by admitting your
> ignorance on the subject, but not the way you did by doubting his wisdom.
> This is for all of us.
> Jiten Roy
>
> --- On Sun, 2/26/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
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> From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or
> keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his
> faith
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 26, 2012, 2:01 PM
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> For example, 'Shet/Shetty' was originally a Jewish surname. They retained
> their money lending business but lost their religion. Instead of Yahweh,
> they started worshiping Lord Ganesh.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Is this your "Theory"? Never heard of it. That is why it would be
>>>>>>>>>>> helpful, if you could elaborate and educate us. Otherwise it
>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like your previous claim (Where you said Allah had sons
>>>>>>>>>>> and daughters!!).
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
> To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 26, 2012 1:12 am
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or
> keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his
> faith
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> Apparently, you never heard of Dayananda Saraswati. He got killed as he
> converted a few Muslims to 'Hinduism'. Even one of the close associates(Rup
> or Sanatan Goswami) of Chaitanya was a Muslim. Any person claiming to be
> knowledgeable should spend considerable time reading informative books.
> Someone who can't identify the Afghans as Pathans ain't even worth a
> lecture, let alone any debate.
>
> What happened to the Jews? They were absorbed by the Indian society. Many
> of them even became Brahmins. For example, 'Shet/Shetty' was originally a
> Jewish surname. They retained their money lending business but lost their
> religion. Instead of Yahweh, they started worshiping Lord Ganesh.
> Read Ronald Inden instead of Nihar Roy to learn about caste system in
> India. (However, a person should not read a book beyond his level of
> comprehension.) More Buddhists got converted by Hindus than the other way
> round..
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> Lack of wit doesn't permit one to understand a lot of things. Those who
> say, entry into Hinduism is difficult if not impossible are unaware of
> history, and also of contemporary events. How many of the Hare Krishnas
> were born as Hindus? Have an electroencephalogram, and take medicine to
> improve brain function.
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> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
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> What happened to the immigrant Jews? Did Hindu preachers convert them to
> Hindus? What I know about Buddhists is this: Hindus made Buddha as one of
> their "avatars". Can you please shed light on the parts of Indian history
> when Hindus tried to convert non-Hindus and "untouchables" including various
> tribes Hinduism? According to Nihar Ranjan Ray even the chandals in Bengal
> were outside the chaturvarna system. This means that they were not even
> shudras.I don't understand why you react so sharply when I want to say that
> exit from Hinduism is lot easier than getting into it if not impossible!
> This attitude of the Hindus made it lot easier for the Buddhist, Christian,
> and Muslim preachers to convert the Indians to their respective religions.
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> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or
> keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his
> faith
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> "Hinduism" and "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Really???
> What happened to the three major waves of Jewish immigrants to India? What
> happened to the Buddhists who constituted ninety percent of Bengal populace
> before Adisur?
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> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:17 AM, subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Preaching or propagating a religion if you will is marketing of an idea. As
> in modern marketing you have to use all the marketing tools, strategies, and
> tactics to be effective. Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam have been being
> missionary religions. And we know what missionaries do in general. Besides
> the soft spoken preachers, rulers and conquerors also supplement the efforts
> of the preachers sometimes with sword. Historically Christian and Islamic
> history of preaching have not been always peaceful particularly when the
> rulers and conquerors have taken active roles. Buddhism although a
> proselytizing religion was an exception in this respect. "Hinduism" and
> "Judaism" are "too pure" to accept an outsider. Hinduism within its own
> periphery will rather suppress the lower casts obliging them to convert to
> another religion. In that sense Hinduism is anti-preaching. In modern times,
> Chaitanyadeb and Vivekananda made exceptions. While Christian missioneries
> risked their lives to go to remote araes in India, the custodians of
> Hinduism kept themselves busy with the task of making religion more and more
> inaccesible. Service to the distressed humanity and bringing light to the
> underprivileged and neglected people are the good sides of preaching. There
> are ugly sides too. Bribing for example is an example.
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> From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or
> keeping secret one's religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his
> faith
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> All religions allow lying to save one's life. If that's Taqiya, it's
> understandable, but I heard - it also includes provision for any deceitful
> tactics for propagation of Islam, including conversion. Is that so? Could
> someone clarify this misunderstanding?
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> Jiten Roy--- On Tue, 2/21/12, Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Taqiya does
> not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's religion. if some
> one feels danger if he discloses his faithTo: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2012, 9:38 PM
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> It also means telling a few lies.
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:18 PM, S A Hannan <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>
> wrote:
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> Taqiya does not mean deceit. It means hiding or keeping secret one's
> religion. if some one feels danger if he discloses his faith.This is
> permitted by some sects in Islam, not all. I feel it appropriate in case of
> danger.
> Nothing should be distorted.
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> Shah Abdul Hannan
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> From: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kamal Das
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:33 AM
> To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Fw: OP meeting on "Hindu temples and properties
> are d estroyed in Chittagong, Bangladesh"
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> Even God supports deceit in the 'interest of religion', the Arabic word for
> it is taquia. About the 'referendum of 1940', the Lahore resolution was not
> a referendum. It was the result of a Muslim League meeting. The
> participants, e.g., Sikander Hyat Khan of the Unionist Party, G. M. Syed of
> Jiye Sind, and Fajlul Haque of K. S. P., were members of provincial
> parliaments elected in 1937 on the separate electorate basis. They were
> coerced by the British Governors to be members of the Muslim League, else
> their cabinets would be dissolved (Ref.- A. J. Moore in Escape from the
> Empire). According to Maulana Azad, Indian Muslims had grown weaker as a
> political force due to partition in 1947.
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> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
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