"As I said before - religion helped people find ways at a time when humanity was immerged in total darkness." - "totally untrue."
I would agree with Prof. The darkness factor is basically a relative term. The darkness has not vanished yet from the earth even though the business of religions has never been better. People are ready to commit supreme sacrifice for the sake religions, the least to mention. What should we call it? Enlightenment?
The question is, what is really a religion? And, who is really carrying the book and following its words? Not many, I suppose. So, how did we get enlightened? I think we, all know the answer!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
From: Kamal Das <kamalctgu@gmail.com>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
"As I said before - religion helped people find ways at a time when humanity was immerged in total darkness." - totally untrue.
In Europe, the dark age was caused by Christianity. Before that Judaism brought dark age in Ugarit. Islam did the same to Egypt, India, Mesopotamia, Persia, and Byzantium. Even in relatively modern age, Christianity decimated the aboriginals in Americas and Australia.
In Europe, the dark age was caused by Christianity. Before that Judaism brought dark age in Ugarit. Islam did the same to Egypt, India, Mesopotamia, Persia, and Byzantium. Even in relatively modern age, Christianity decimated the aboriginals in Americas and Australia.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
You made some good points. However I differ with couple of your opinions.....
I am convinced that – most of the evils that are happening around the world are somehow or other due to the religious divisions among us,
>>>>>>> I slightly disagree. Yes there are fights among religious people but religion is NOT the cause of the fights. The hunger for money and power (AKA greed) is the reason. There are plenty of critic of Islam talks about India before Islam was accepted by great number of Indians. If you take a dispassionate view of history, you will see there were plenty of wars, destruction and murders among Indians BEFORE Muslims came to India.
Same goes in Arabia. Before prophet Muhammad (PBUH) started talking about Islam (Not until he was forty years old!!), there were plenty of wars among tribes. History tells us, he was invited to city of Medina to resolve some of these fights and bring peace into the community. Which he did with great success and more people accepted his religion as a result.
Before Christianity reached Europe, there were plenty of wars as well.
Even after most of Europe accepted communist/socialist ideals, we witnesses more persecutions and wars.
Therefore, it is easy to blame religion for wars but in reality, it is greedy people who abuse religion, nationalism etc who cause wars, death and destruction.
where there is division, there is competition and rivalry
>>>>>>> Rivalry comes from Ego and good old "Greed".
. I criticize religion for its very existence in this day and age, not because it has nothing good to offer anymore.
>>>>>>> Lot of your observations are valid. But I feel a lot of good came out of it and coming out of it. My observation is people are not properly educated about religion which often causes problem.
Morality in our lives comes from societal demands and environment
>>>>>>>> Yes. That is why religion helps us to come to some universal agreement of morality. The Biblical teaching of "Thou shall not steal" works for all people. Honor thy parents is practiced my most people of our "Mother earth" despite their religious differences. So it would be wrong to blindly blame religion. We should focus on how religion is used by corrupt people.
As I said many times (A politically incorrect statement) that, my people (Bangladeshi) are in need of Islamic education badly. They knowingly and without knowledge violate many religious ideals which gives religion a bad name.
yet Bangladesh is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
>>>>>>> Yet most Bangladeshis outside Bangladesh is well known as hard working honest people. It is the corrupt environment which make people bad and we have bad leadership as well. There are plenty of hard working honest people who make great sacrifices to make an honest living but they don't make headlines.
Shalom!
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 5:27 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 10:03 AM
Some people are just reacting to what religion is feeding to them. Obviously, not everybody will react to the same extent, but - some will. Don't blame them for reacting.
>>>>>>>>>> I think sometime religion looks "Bad" because we "Selectively" follow some ideas and don't follow others. For example, Bangladeshi Muslims are pretty big on "Showing" they are Muslims, when it benefits them. However you check on most of them if they paid, obligatory charity (Zakat) or made sacrifices to make an honest living (Halal income), you will see plenty of hypocrites.
I have seen plenty of Muslims, foaming their mouth about their "Rights" but not so eager to worry about their "Responsibilities". Which is the very reason why "Religion" looks bad to many of us (Muslims and non-Muslims alike). When I look back to teachings of prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he was more worried about his responsibilities and often "forgave" others when it came to his rights over them (Muslims and non-Muslim alike). Most Muslims don't follow it and those who do, they don't make headlines.
This is the "Root cause" of problems we see when it comes to religion. So in one word, we are greedy and often we prefer money/power over God.
Shalom!
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From: Jiten Roy <jnrsr53@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 9:56 pm
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
Most religious people are either unwise or fake. They are unwise because they can't visualize the evil done on earth by what religion. All they need to do is - look around the world with open eyes and minds, but – they can't.I know – people will still say – religion is not to blame; it's the people, the so called misguided religious fundamentalists, to blame. That's hogwash; I don't blame anybody, but religion, for this. Some people are just reacting to what religion is feeding to them. Obviously, not everybody will react to the same extent, but - some will. Don't blame them for reacting.So, please - no more blame, excuses, and double talks; try to analyze the root cause, if you can, and try to expose all evils of religion on humanity. Also, please don't tell me that some big-shot said - religion is the 'shuva-sanskar,' on earth, because I have seen enough of those shuvo-sanskars by now already. Don't show me anymore.Jiten Roy
From: ram puniyani <jhang45@yahoo.com>
Subject: [mukto-mona] Condemning Mumbai Violence
To: "Ram Puniyani" <ram.puniyani@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 1:24 AM
Condemnation of Attack on Media in MumbaiWe strongly and unequivocally condemn the attack on media in Mumbai by a section of people gathered at the Azad maidan to protest the violence in Assam and Burma. Using violence in a protest against violence is an insult to the suffering victims in whose support the protest was purportedly organised.There are many non violent and democratic ways to communicate and protest any grievances, including against the media. This mindless and shameful action by a few misguided individuals discredits protest and becomes a disservice to a cause.We offer our solidarity with media; sympathy with all those injured and wish for their quick recovery. We urge the government to take immediate and exemplary action against the guilty. We also appeal to all citizens not to get swayed by this isolated and dastardly incidence and allow the situation to become a cause of conflict. Any communalisation of the situation will be harmful for everyone and totally against the interests of the nation.Lalita Ramdas- Ali BaghMazher Hussain – HyderabadAdmiral L. Ramdas- Ali BaghMahesh Bhatt- MumbaiRam Punyani- MumbaiKamla Bhasin- DelhiSandeep Panday- LucknowJatin Desai- Mumbai
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