I was thinking about the first biomolecules that had been created under some favorable chemical reactions.
>>>>>>>>>> And I simply mentioned that, our body is FAR more complex than any modern gadgets we can think of. But many among us accept the idea that, we started out of randomness.
which eventually learned to replicate themselves.
>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned our highways don't just "learn" to replicate itself. Our computers don't. These are single units.
The Qur'an says, we were made in pairs by our Maker. Here are some verses......
SURAH 36, AYAH 36:
SURAH 42, AYAT 11-12:
SURAH 55, AYAT 52-53:
SURAH 13, AYAH 3:
[ Source:QUR'AN AND SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE ]
Hope this will help some of the members to understand this alternative point of view.
Shalom!
From: Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 8:36 am
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"The process of, for example, production of an iPhone is not random, but quality control of the same product uses statistical theory. "
--- On Wed, 8/8/12, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
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Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 9:33 AM
They are not science for sure, but they can be very interesting. Two examples are the biblical genesis and the Hindu trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Mahadev (creator-sustainer-destroyer). High quality arts and literature have emerged out of these myths. Paradise Lost is a master piece. Nataraj is very popular even among the non-Hindu lovers of arts. Philosophical contents of these myths are great. Man cannot live by science and technology alone.
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May I ask how many billions of years our creator(s) had to research before 'He' could create the human machine? Why did He create so many other millions of species? Do they pray too to the same God? Why would God create pests and viruses to kill innocent babies? How many years did he work to devise those lethal weapons?
As far as I see your arguments, they are poor and pretty childish. Only thing that you got is basically a book and that has essentially blocked all your free thinking and questioning. No wonder why nothing has been created or made based on that book. You and your cohorts are basically freeloaders of modern society with virtually zero contribution. You can carry on another thousand years and you won't be able to create or invent anything. Mark my words!
While your theory of creation has not yielded any tangible products, our scientific research has created plenty of products that have totally changed you and our daily lives. Why do you think that I should go with a half witted mollah than Einsteins of our world? The choice could not be anymore clearer!
-Dev
--- On Sun, 8/5/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 4:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>> I beg to differ. My logic is very simple and easy to understand. All the gadgets we use today required many years of research and inventors. Our body, the universe and Eco-system is FAR more COMPLEX than any computer.
It is illogical to think, they just appeared for "Randomness".
There are plenty of roads in Bangladesh that needs repairs and many places need new roads. They don't appear out of nothing. Why the heck, I am asked to accept the "Theory" that, we (With billions of cells in our body) appeared from "Randomness"??
As always, I have shared plenty of sources to support my ideas. Hope curious people will take the time to verify my ideas with an open mind. Just calling me "Wrong" is an easy escape (But within your right!).
Take care.
Shalom!
From: Dev Saha <devsaha5@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:59 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
I think you got wrong end of the stick. With your flawed logic, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and our inventors would be considered as Gawd like creators. Maybe, they are to some people, who believe in stories and fables.
-Dev Saha
--- On Tue, 7/31/12, qar <qrahman@netscape.net> wrote:
From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 4:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> Yup. The smartphones, computer, Big screen TV, sky scrappers just appeared from "Randomness"!!
The interesting thing to note that, our body is more complex than stuff I mentioned.
Yes, you are right. New planets are being created and destroyed in the universe. Who knew about it thousands of years ago???
The Qur'an spoke about it as well. Please click here
Those who are brave enough to really understand a different point of view, please click here.
Shalom!
From: Shah Deeldar <shahdeeldar@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:30 am
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From: qar <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] Let us not criticize religions, criticize religion-peddling
>>>>>>>> Absolutely. No one can deny mother nature. I just think my praises are reserved for the power who created "Mother nature". Your cell phone did not make itself, it needed a maker (RIM, Apple, Nokia, Samsung...etc). Similarly the wonderful nature we see around us needed a "Maker" as well. A chapter in the Qur'an talks about it. It consistently ask readers the question, " Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?"
Indeed our Maker gave us so many gifts.
Shalom!
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Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:05 am
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36 Glory be to Him Who created all the sexual pairs, of that which the earth groweth, and of themselves, and of that which they know not!
11 The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He hath made for you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby He multiplieth you. Naught is as His likeness; and He is the Hearer, the Seer.
12 His are the keys of the heavens and the earth. He enlargeth providence for whom He will and straiteneth (it for whom He will). Lo! He is Knower of all things.
52 Wherein is every kind of fruit in pairs.
53 Which is it, of the favors of your Lord, that ye deny?
3 And He it is who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits be placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.
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I was referring to Mr. Rahman's comment.
Where did say the making of iPhone was a random event? I was thinking about the first biomolecules that had been created under some favorable chemical reactions. And, that probably set the motion for forming more complex biological molecules, which eventually learned to replicate themselves.
An iPhone is nothing but just another new toy/tool that humans have been creating since they came down from the trees.
-Dev
The statistical concepts of randomness and probability are indispensable for explaining many physical phenomena. There is a branch in science named statistical physics of which Bose-Einstein Statistics is a topic. Quantum mechanics uses the concept of probability. But the said concepts have to be used in proper contexts. The process of, for example, production of an iPhone is not random, but quality control of the same product uses statistical theory.
The theological theories on creationism are mostly speculations as when those speculations were made, science was not sufficiently advanced. That's why the said theories available in religious texts will never find place in scientific discourses.
Let me finish my write-up by mentioning one of Nazrul's great songs viz. Khelichho e Vishwa loye he biraat shishu. The poetic imagination and philosophical content are extraordinary. This infinite time-space expanse is nothing but a toy to a whimsical vast boy seeming to be an embodiment of the Hindu trinity. We do not have to look for science in here.
I think you got wrong end of the stick. With your flawed logic, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and our inventors would be considered as Gawd like creators. Maybe, they are to some people, who believe in stories and fables.
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Stop smoking, brother! Our universe was created from total randomness! It is a pure fluke that we exits
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Stop smoking, brother! Our universe was created from total randomness! It is a pure fluke that we exits. There are probably many more earth like planets are being created or destroyed as we speak. And, they might contain different forms of life than ours. We do not even know. Religious books were written by people, who had only vague idea about math, physics, chemistry and biology. Not enough knowledge to think beyond our earth. Only thing, that they were capable of doing is to eat and poop. Do not tell me that people like Galileo and others only reinvented the wheels. That is a pure crap!
-SD
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." GBS
How can I deny the existence of God in the Moher Nature?
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